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Old 01-13-2021, 05:38 PM
fredycompean fredycompean is offline
 
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Default Damaged Rudder

Hi Guys!

First time posting here!

Please view the photos of damage to the rudder on my RV7A, due to strong winds during overnight stay on the ramp. Control lock failing to stay in place, and the result is punctured holes and bent/cracked trailing edge.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/xkL2E8Br83r6UCMc9

I have flown about 11hrs since with out any flutter or concern, but I have been advised that it could be dangerous and I should get an entirely new rudder.

Appreciate your comments on:

1. Should repair or replace.
2. Can I fly another 4hrs to repair shop or ground the plane.

Thanks in advance

Fredy

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Old 01-13-2021, 06:12 PM
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Based on the indications that the elevator appears to have also been free to slam to it's limits with unknown force, I would very closely inspect the entire pitch control system from the stick pivots right through to the elevator bolts. It also appears that the trim tab on the left elevator got a very non typical work out ( punching holes in the rudder with the inertia and force of the elevator rotating in different positions at un known speeds), so I would look closely at the servo rod yokes , pins and lock pins to make that is not ready to let go.


I expect a flood of responses to make a new rudder.

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Old 01-13-2021, 06:14 PM
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I would reskin it. I reskinned my rv8 rudder and it wasn't a big job. The skin only was about a quarter of a rudder kit cost wise and it was faster as I didn't have to refit the fairings and such.

You can probably find an abandoned tail kit with a complete rudder otherwise. I have a completed rv8 empennage kit that I would sell the rudder out of if it would work. (Not sue if 7 and 8 are the same.)
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Old 01-13-2021, 06:15 PM
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Personally I would at least replace the skin. But then agin it would most likely have underlying damage to the ribs. And it would probably be faster to just replace the hole rudder. I would think you would be ok to fly it to a facility were it could be repaired, or replaced. Just slow to maneuvering speed. As it is kind of dangerous, not knowing the full extent of damage. Unless you can see the inside of the rudder.

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Old 01-13-2021, 06:23 PM
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I would reskin it. I reskinned my rv8 rudder and it wasn't a big job. The skin only was about a quarter of a rudder kit cost wise and it was faster as I didn't have to refit the fairings and such.

You can probably find an abandoned tail kit with a complete rudder otherwise. I have a completed rv8 empennage kit that I would sell the rudder out of if it would work. (Not sue if 7 and 8 are the same.)
Not interchangeable.. the -7 rudder has the riveted trailing edge, and the counterweight is a different shape. (As you know, the -8 has the bent style trailing edge)

I’m interested in where that clunking noise is coming from in his video?
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Old 01-13-2021, 06:29 PM
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Mine was damaged in the similar way but not nearly as bad. I am trying to imagine why the trailing edge is damaged so badly and I donít see any pix of elevator or trim tab.

One area that I recommend to take a close look is the hinge bracket attachment points, especially the bottom hinge both on the rudder and VS. If/when rudder slams back and forth and comes to a sudden stop by the rudder stops, it puts fair amount of force on those brackets. I would certainly rebuild another one if it was mine (I did and it was not too much work or money) and I would certainly build a whole new one unless there is no damage at all to the hinge attachment points.

sorry to see this happens.
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Old 01-13-2021, 06:31 PM
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Build a new rudder! Van's has "just Rudder" kits available... Please check to see if the rudder max movement stops are damaged as that's the only way an elevator can come in contact with the rudder....
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Old 01-13-2021, 06:47 PM
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I have a large 7a rudder that has not been riveted up that if you are interested?
Leave me a message and I can send you a picture.
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:26 PM
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Iím interested in where that clunking noise is coming from in his video?
Me too. It is on the cables, not the actual rudder hinges. I have pulled the cable on the right side of the plane with my fingers and then moved the rudder to full extent, and there is no sound. I will check all the rudder system from the control stick down.

Thanks for noticing.

Fredy
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:34 PM
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Build a new rudder! Van's has "just Rudder" kits available... Please check to see if the rudder max movement stops are damaged as that's the only way an elevator can come in contact with the rudder....
This sounds of interest. Does anyone here know somebody that would build it for me, as I have never build, nor have any tools?

Thank you

Fredy
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