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  #251  
Old 01-11-2017, 07:57 PM
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About the only bit of knowledge there, and I already knew this, was that the FAA looks at all threads on the Vansairforce site. Remember the S in ADS B stands for surveillance.
LOL... that was good But I should probably put the tinfoil hat back on... just in case
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Old 01-12-2017, 10:49 AM
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The Freedom of Information Act seems to have many exemptions. Much of what we want to see is simply black. I am mildly offended at being referred to as a costumer, not a customer. I only wear silly hats on the Queen's birthday.
Seriously though, the number of paid FAA employees that have spent hours sending each other memos, and setting up meetings is staggering.
They could have told Navworx to send a SIL of 2 for the next year or two, while they sort out their technical review. Safety would be enhanced, an American small business would have people working and no airlines would be in danger. So far, NEXT GEN has been seriously degraded by the actions of a limited number of men in costumes down in Fort Worth, Texas. I hope someone like Senator Inhofe takes a look at this and spotlights the issue. We only saw action on medical reform when congress over rode the FAA.
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Old 01-12-2017, 11:18 AM
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Per the FAA webpage, ADS-B Out will be required in the following airspace:
  • Class A, B, and C airspace
  • Class E airspace areas at or above 10,000 ft MSL over the 48 states and DC, excluding airspace at and below 2,500 ft AGL
  • Airspace within 30 nautical miles (nm) at certain busy airports from the surface up to 10,000 feet MSL; airports listed in appendix D to part 91.
  • Above the ceiling and within the lateral boundaries of a Class B or Class C airspace area up to 10,000 feet MSL
  • Class E airspace over the Gulf of Mexico at and above 3,000 feet MSL within 12 nm of the coastline of the United States
I have a hard time understanding the FAA logic. Worried about "potential" inaccuracies and separation issues, yet, 90+% of the airspace, where GA operates does not require ADS-B out. Makes it obvious the FAA could care less about GA. Radar will never go away!
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Old 01-12-2017, 12:04 PM
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And how could they possibly eliminate radar when there are hundreds of aircraft flying around that were originally certified without an engine-driven electrical system and have never had one added subsequent to manufacture? Those aircraft have a waiver to ADS-B "out" requirements equal to their current waiver to Mode C (at least alleged under the ADS-B rule). And they usually operate at lower altitudes in the range of Amazon drones etc.... Many of these non-electrical aircraft have installed transponders for interment use when operating in Class B or C or sometimes just to be "nice" in other areas. However, there isn't a practical way for these same aircraft to equip with ADS-B "out" equipment because unlike Mode C the continuous operation rule of ADS-B renders it operationally infeasible.
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Old 01-12-2017, 04:21 PM
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I wrote the Faa the following.
To Michael Heusser. I hope I am addressing this to the right party. I have had the navworx 600b for years. Have followed the proposed AD closely. I have a garmin 430w that could be used as position source however My concern is whether navworx is a viable company. Certainly doesn't appear to be in business.
Decided that I would go ahead and make the change to the Dynon transponder which is rebate compliant. I am trusting that the navworx Faa action is a one off and not an issue with other manufacturers?
So thinking I could at least qualify for the $500 rebate, decided to go forward. Now I find that I am not eligible for the rebate because I have had "certified" equipment i.e. Navworx which is no longer certified. Talk about a catch 22.
I'd certainly appreciate hearing from you. To be dealing with the navworx mess and then be told my early compliance is now penalizing me is hard to swallow. Thanks.
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Got a quick response. They can't do anything until the AD is finalized. Will probably be several months.
Of course the rebate period will be closed by then. This navworx saga just keeps getting worse.
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Old 01-12-2017, 05:50 PM
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I exercised my 9 today after the snow and used the chance to honor the rule that says "if I have an ADSB installed "to be sure it's turned on"! I do and the 600EXP worked flawlessly. Spotted numerous traffic targets, allowed me to maneuver to avoid uncomfortable close positions and effectively enjoyed a great flight all in E airspace! If traffic ever gets within 3 nm and+- 500. I start looking for the target HOWEVER, being VFR you still have to look out the windshield and it is my responsibility as PIC to avoid the conflict. Doesn't hurt that the WX was clear below 12500 and Vis in excess of 10 nm ..Thanks Navworx.
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:39 AM
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Seems like the letter about the FAA destroying Navworx business has been removed from the Navworx website. Hopefully that's a good thing and they're starting to work out a solution!
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Old 01-13-2017, 12:05 PM
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I just sent them a note through their website portal.
I'll try the e-mail as well.

Will let the list know if I get a response!

Response - the e-mail didn't immediately bounce - and I did get an Out of office on vacation from 14 to 23 Jan notice from Bill's e-mail address....maybe someone from the support team will answer for real!

Hopefully, something's happening!
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:22 PM
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I just went to the Navworx site after hearing the letter was removed.
The 600EXP price went up from $1399 to $1599.
This is probably a good sign that they may be close to resuming business.

Let's hope this all gets resolved.
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Old 01-13-2017, 08:03 PM
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My that was pretty much a waste of server space!!! About the only bit of knowledge there, and I already knew this, was that the FAA looks at all threads on the Vansairforce site. Remember the S in ADS B stands for surveillance.
Kind of makes you want to take all your operational/airworthiness/regulatory questions into a private chat room, doesn't it. Apparently Exemption #5 allows the concealing of anything from FOIA except prepositions, pronouns and indefinite articles. Our best hope to learn what is in these documents is the admittedly remote chance they were cached on a bathroom server being mirrored by a pedophile congressman's MacBook and somehow caught the attention of Julian Assange.

Browsing VAF on the public payroll? Obviously, FAA has put their top men on this.

Top. Men.

Meh, I want my ten minutes back.
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