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Old 09-23-2020, 07:40 PM
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Nicely done Rick! It's still on my bucket list. In the meantime I am enjoying my mini canyon. It's only 1700' deep and 4000' wide

Vlad that canyon is great. Got to fly Flaming Gorge along the lake this year, stunning!
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Old 09-23-2020, 07:45 PM
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I've flown Star Wars Canyon a few times in the RV...if anything, it's safer now as there is a 1500' AGL restriction on military traffic there after the 2019 crash.

What struck me was that at RV speeds I had more time to notice the complete lack of engine out options in the canyon, than I had at 450kts in the Rhino! That was enough to convince me to find other places for RV low level!
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Old 09-23-2020, 08:46 PM
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Really enjoyed your video..really cool photography....was that a GoPro__ and where was it mounted?
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Old 09-24-2020, 01:18 AM
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About three years ago, I turned a long final for the Chicken Strip in Saline Valley. It is not long, and it is soft and narrow. I make my finals there pretty long since I want to be wheels down in the first couple of hundred feet. It was lumpy mid afternoon air. I talked to Josh Approach from up towards Mammoth and until I turned final, so they watched me into the valley and on to final. Maybe a mile out, two jets came out of my 1:30 to 2:00 fast and low directly at me and then over me, close. Not a word from Josh App.
I was focused on the strip, and I figured they had to maintain separation with Josh, their on board radar and eyeballs cuz I was low, slow, and had no where to go. They were twin tails, so either 18s or 15s. I pay lots in taxes, and these guys were just screwing around on my dime. Very **** poor conduct. And dangerous. Be careful out there.
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Old 09-24-2020, 06:41 AM
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About three years ago, I turned a long final for the Chicken Strip in Saline Valley. It is not long, and it is soft and narrow. I make my finals there pretty long since I want to be wheels down in the first couple of hundred feet. It was lumpy mid afternoon air. I talked to Josh Approach from up towards Mammoth and until I turned final, so they watched me into the valley and on to final. Maybe a mile out, two jets came out of my 1:30 to 2:00 fast and low directly at me and then over me, close. Not a word from Josh App.
I was focused on the strip, and I figured they had to maintain separation with Josh, their on board radar and eyeballs cuz I was low, slow, and had no where to go. They were twin tails, so either 18s or 15s. I pay lots in taxes, and these guys were just screwing around on my dime. Very **** poor conduct. And dangerous. Be careful out there.
Respectfully, you were approaching an uncharted strip that is in the vicinity of multiple low level Military Training Routes. Both you and the fast movers were likely below Joshua's radar coverage. Tactical jet radars are not necessarily optimized for low and slow targets. See and avoid is everyone's responsibility, and I would bet you had the advantage that day, vice the pilots at low level and 480 knots working against an RV sized target.

Given the fiscal culture of military flying, I am confident they were not just screwing around. But I am sure they were having fun!
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Old 09-24-2020, 08:52 AM
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I talked to Josh Approach from up towards Mammoth and until I turned final, so they watched me into the valley and on to final. Maybe a mile out, two jets came out of my 1:30 to 2:00 fast and low directly at me and then over me, close.
We have a lot of MTR's in the SE too. Last time our EAA group visited the local ATC facility (MGM), the chief told us their radar cannot see a high percentage of the low level military routes. The jets go down and in, then pop up later at the other end.

Back when MGM based RF-4's, it wasn't unusual to see one really down in the weeds. And I recall the Air Force once calling our FBO at 08A, asking if we were missing an ultralight, apparently following a merge with an F-16.
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Really enjoyed your video..really cool photography....was that a GoPro__ and where was it mounted?
The mount was a NFLIGHTCAM EXTERIOR BALL-HEAD MOUNT FOR GOPRO. It is attached by screwing the base anywhere a screw goes in the airframe. In my case, one of the fuel tank screws.

The camera is an SJCAM SJ5000X. Basically a less expensive but still pretty good go-pro alternative.
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these guys were just screwing around on my dime. Very **** poor conduct. And dangerous.
You were operating in a MOA. And in the vicinity of a training route. Would you rather that airspace be Restricted and that way non of us can fly in there?

You are 50% of the see and avoid. If you dont want to mix it up with military aircraft training in a designated area, dont go in there.
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You were operating in a MOA. And in the vicinity of a training route. Would you rather that airspace be Restricted and that way non of us can fly in there?

You are 50% of the see and avoid. If you dont want to mix it up with military aircraft training in a designated area, dont go in there.
He was talking constantly to the controlling agency - Joshua Approach...
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