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Discolored belly

RVG8tor

Well Known Member
Had the first flight cut short today because chase plane saw what they thought might be oil streaking along the belly. On the ground we took a look and there was a rainbow discoloration, at first we thought heat issue but this steak whet all the way to behind the rear seat, right by the transponder antenna, and there was no heat deformation of the antenna (plastic blade). I had not installed the turn downs on the exhaust yet, my understanding is they are optional.

There was no oil on the belly, and on closer inspection the rainbow stuff wipes away with cleaner. Much speculation went on, one idea was too rich a mixture, and some how excess fuel in the exhaust was dong this. I am breaking in a new engine so I did not touch the mixture. It also occurred on the second flight and I had the turn downs installed for that flight.

Then it occurred to me, I had intended to go with a polished airplane so during construction when the fuselage was flipped I spent 8 hours polishing the belly. It was after this that I decided not to go with a polished plane. So now my hypothesis is that there is some reaction with the exhaust heat and the polish.

So anyone see this phenomenon before. It is great to be flying!

Cheers
 
what causes this

Yep, seen the exact same things on all the unpainted planes Mike!

Jon

Any idea what the causes this?

Even with the care I took I have a very heavy right wing. Takes near full left trim to fly hands off but otherwise flies nice. I was hoping to get lucky and not have the wing issue oh well, it is all part of the experiance.

Cheers
 
Interesting that someone else should mention this. The polished -6 I have has a discoloration on the belly too... If I recall, it's confined to the area behind the spar, on the passenger side. Sort of a brownish discoloration, that hasn't washed off with soap&water or WD-40.

I haven't convinced myself to lay down on my back with the cyclo polisher over my head yet to try and polish it out, so I don't know how "deep" the discoloration goes. Maybe that'll be a winter project... Polishing is one way to stay warm, even using a Cyclo. :)
 
Polished warbirds get this same rainbow you mention. It's an exhaust "stain".
I have seen it on painted aircraft as well but it does show up better on bare metal.
 
It happens often.

Jon

Any idea what the causes this?

Even with the care I took I have a very heavy right wing. Takes near full left trim to fly hands off but otherwise flies nice. I was hoping to get lucky and not have the wing issue oh well, it is all part of the experiance.

Cheers

Mike, I flew the initial flight of an impeccably-built RV-7 a couple of years ago and this builder, friend of mine, is a perfectionist.

The stick took a lot of force to hold the plane level, 10 gallons in each tank. He methodically went about gradually squeezing the trailing edge of the light wing's aileron and in no time had it flying hands-off.

These things aren't visible and sorta magical as to why the squeezing even works:)

Congratulations,
 
I also have the "rainbow" on the belly of my black painted RV8.
I tried to clean it but I didn't succeed.

Congrats on your first flight.
 
Squeeze

Mike, I flew the initial flight of an impeccably-built RV-7 a couple of years ago and this builder, friend of mine, is a perfectionist.

The stick took a lot of force to hold the plane level, 10 gallons in each tank. He methodically went about gradually squeezing the trailing edge of the light wing's aileron and in no time had it flying hands-off.

These things aren't visible and sorta magical as to why the squeezing even works:)

Congratulations,

What Pierre said!

First make sure you have made a rudder tab that is sized and adjusted for your planned cruise True Airspeed.
Then, provided that your ailerons are properly mounted, and you have equal fuel in each tank, you would commence the squeezing.
Go slowly, if you go to far your trailing edge radius will get very small and you will lose the very light "sporty" feel in roll and you could end up with a plane that feels like a 9! ;)
You can also tap with a hammer and block of hardwood on the heavy trailing edge, but this can lead to a bulged trailing edge and a plane that is SUPER light in roll to the point of near uncontrollability ( I have done this!)

Good luck
 
Heavy wing fix (from Vans)

From the factory!

HOW TO DIAGNOSE AND FIX A HEAVY WING!
If there is one question that requires a lot of time answering at Van's it is the " I just did my first flight and a wing is heavy, what do I do?" question. It usually is followed by the corollary "which aileron am I supposed to squash?"
There turns out to be a bit of reasoning involved in the answer. It is simple and yet it is not obvious to the pilot who has just spent 2-4 years of all of his spare time and energy to complete and fly his brand new airplane. He thinks he built it PERFECT and is dismayed that something is wrong.
First and foremost, DON'T DO ANYTHING for the first few hours of flight. If the aircraft is flyable, then fly it. There are factors that may not have been thought about quite yet on the first hour of flight. For the wings to be neutral (no wing heaviness) the fuel quantifies must be equal in both tanks and for side by side aircraft where the pilot sits on the left side a weight would need to be in the right seat. All gear leg fairings, intersection fairings and wheel pants must be in place.
Now, after the plane has been flown a while (10+ hours) and the pilot has determined that a wing heaviness exists, then it is time to try and see what is wrong. The first step to fix the problem is to quantify it. It is easy and is worth the effort. Fill both fuel tanks, then takeoff using the HEAVY wing tank and climb to a cruise altitude of 8-9000 feet. Use a power setting of at least 75% or wide open, whichever comes first, and fly on that tank fill the wing no longer feels heavy. At this point, the weight differential of the two tanks equals the heaviness. Land and fill the tank, multiply the gallons by 6 lbs/gal and you have a starting number. If the heaviness is less than 18 lbs, then it is a minor condition. You would bum off that much fuel on a long climb to altitude for a trip and it may not warrant fixing.
Listed below is a sequence that may solve problems of heavier situations:
1.
Check the rigging of the entire airframe.
Set longerons in the flying level condition.
Recheck the angle of incidence of the wings.
Recheck the vertical stabilizer. Is it up the middle of the airframe? Is it twisted somehow?
Use the wing template to cross check the aileron and flap alignment. If any of the above are wrong, FIX 'EM. 2. Is the "BALL" out in level cruise flight (75% power)? It is the first thing to fix!
If so, fit a trim tab to the rudder. Start with a big one and trim it down until the ball is centered at cruise speeds.
3. Now back to the ailerons! Of all of the wing heavy problems the commonest one that can easily be identified and fixed is poor aileron symmetry. In flight, the aileron surfaces are exposed to some fairly high speed airflow. If during the installation of the ailerons, one aileron is installed with its spar in a different vertical location with respect to the rear spar of the wing than the other aileron, then you will have a problem. Since the ailerons are interconnected by the push tubes and control column, they must reach equilibrium during flight. If the deflection forces produced by the airflow are not identical then the ailerons will automatically move to a position where these forces are equalized.
Obviously if the equilibrium position produces an aileron deflection, then the plane will want to roll. The more the deflection, the heavier the wing roll tendency. The fix for a problem of this nature is easy.
Recheck the centerline of the tooling holes of the main wing ribs and the aileron ribs to be sure they are above the bearing pivot holes in the aileron attach brackets (per plans). This displacement should be checked on both inboard and outboard ends of the ailerons for both wings while the ailerons are set in trail with the wing template. The absolute dimension is not as critical as is the fact that both ends of each aileron and both ailerons be the same. If they are off by as little as 1/8" anywhere relative to each other, then it must be fixed. The fix is to simply purchase new A-406 BLANK or A-407 BLANK aileron attach brackets and drill displaced attaching holes in them to correct the asymmetry. (RV- 9/9A and RV-10 builders will find the parts oversize but useable with trimming). Slotting the attach holes in the original attach brackets for test purposes is fine but the final hole position should be transferred to new brackets for permanent installation.
Now go fly it again. Several slight adjustments may be needed so have patience.
For all planes except RV-9/9A and RV-10 there is an additional correction that can be done: If there remains a wing heavy condition in excess of the 3 gallon (18 lb) one mentioned above, then the next step is to adjust the trailing edge radius of one of the ailerons. Reduce the trailing edge radius of the LIGHT wing. This procedure should be approached carefully as it can have a significant impact. Squeeze it a little and then go fly it. DON'T try to fix it all at once.
The final solution for all models, if all else fails, is to simply add a trim tab. All of the construction manuals for the aircraft detail a wedge type trim tab that does not affect appearances too much.

Just a reprint from Vans site!
 
My experience is that the rainbow is oil residue but if you cannot wipe it off and see oil on the cloth then it's fine. Unless coming out the pipes you should easily be able to find the any oil path from the engine. If the engine is clean sounds like all is normal but watch it the first few flights.

Pat
 
I would get those exhaust turndown tips

I flew for 50 hours without them. They make a difference in floor vibration. They should be standard for an 8A IMO.

Randy
8A
 
Thanks to all with some answers

Thanks Jon for the Van's info on the heavy wing. I know what you mean about responsiveness. I did some transition training in an RV-7 but my plane is much more responsive in roll at this point and I sure don't want to mess with that.

The rainbow coloring does come off when wiped down with a cleaner and there is no oil residue, but from the answers this looks like a normal thing.

I put the turn downs on for the second flight but still get the color on the belly it just starts further back now. Can't say as I noticed the vibration difference. They are only on with hose clamps now so I can do a test if curiosity gets to me.

For now the coal is to break in the engine then work out the wing issues. It looks like I can get in 3-4 hour today then the weather will go down for week or so. This thing sure burn gas at 82% power, been running 25/2500 and getting 14ish GPH flow.

Cheers
Mike
 
Mike----whats the oil consumption like?
It really is too bad we cant run our engines through the breakin period, without having to put them in the planes, like cars. Not practical in our applications. But sure would ease the anxiety some!
Tom
 
The rainbow coloring does come off when wiped down with a cleaner and there is no oil residue, but from the answers this looks like a normal thing.
Mine is exactly the same, Mike, both with respect to the rainbow and the heavy wing. I don't think anything is abnormal in either regard. Congrats on the first flight!
 
5.2 Hours

Mike----whats the oil consumption like?
It really is too bad we cant run our engines through the breakin period, without having to put them in the planes, like cars. Not practical in our applications. But sure would ease the anxiety some!
Tom

Today flew twice more but ventured around the area at 145 knots breaking in the engine. I have only burned half a quart in the 5 hours. I am thinking this is good. Of course it is cool out (40 degrees) at 3000' but the cylinders are holding under 360, oil temp rock solid at 180, saw 220 on the first flight. EGT 1250s The tough one FF 13-14 GPH.

Really easy to land this plane which has been a surprise since I have only landed small planes for a week but it is like riding a bike it all comes back but I do chant to myself don't flare high (fly a 767 for my day job when they need me to). It has been dead calm which make landing an easier task.

Cheers
 
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