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Old 10-11-2021, 08:28 AM
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Default Rotating Red Beacon? And if so, where?

In my experience (military and commercial) the red beacon was turned on to indicate that the engine(s) were running. Position lights tell people how big I am, red beacon means stay away from props/inlets & exhausts, and landing/taxi lights mean what they say.

On a dark night at JFK, we (in a 767) nearly ran over a Beech 1900 on a taxiway because it's lights blended in with taxiway lights. Two lessons learned there: keep a watch out all the time, and consider NOT being exactly on the centerline of a taxiway.

I'd love to avoid being run over, so I'm wanting to include a red rotating/flashing light on my -8. But where to put it? The belly is no help on the ground. The top of the tail will likely flash over my shoulder into the cockpit.

Suggestions?
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Old 10-11-2021, 08:35 AM
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Default LED Strobes

Its my understanding we don't have to have a rotating beacon - I don't.

Before starting the engine I turn on my LED Strobes. Those suckers are bright enough in daylight to warn anyone the airplane is (or soon will be) active.
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Old 10-11-2021, 08:43 AM
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I have a new factory built Waco YMF with very small red very bright led flashing light which takes the of a red rotating beacon. It is located on the belly just aft of the engine in the landing gear area. It is hot wired to the master switch and is very effective day or night.
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Old 10-11-2021, 08:51 AM
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Default Rotating Red Beacon

I'm also considering a Rotating Beacon. Check out superbrightleds. They have a nice Mini Emergency Vehicle LED Warning Light.
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Default Other problem

i believe the FAA rule is that a rotating becaon or strobes must be on anytime the engine is running. But my problem is the strobes may be too bright on the ground. They may be blinding.
What have others done with the FLYLeds strobes on the ground?
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Old 10-11-2021, 09:07 AM
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i believe the FAA rule is that a rotating becaon or strobes must be on anytime the engine is running. But my problem is the strobes may be too bright on the ground. They may be blinding.
What have others done with the FLYLeds strobes on the ground?
Can you share your reference to the FAA rule?
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Old 10-11-2021, 09:28 AM
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Default FAR 91.209(b)

91.209 Aircraft lights.
No person may:
(a)....
(b) Operate an aircraft that is
equipped with an anticollision light
system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights. However, the anticollision lights need not be lighted
when the pilot-in-command determines
that, because of operating conditions,
it would be in the interest of safety to
turn the lights off.

From the EAA:
Am I required to have anti-collision lights on my homebuilt?

No, if you are only going to using your aircraft for day, VFR flight. FAR 91.205 lists the instrument and equipment requirements for standard category aircraft. This FAR does not apply to Experimental-Amateur Built aircraft.
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Old 10-11-2021, 09:36 AM
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i believe the FAA rule is that a rotating becaon or strobes must be on anytime the engine is running.
Not so, see 91.209(b). What I have seen though is that Cirrus apparently puts “strobes on” on their “before start” checklist so that they’re flashing on the ground which then makes some guys think that it’s an “FAA rule”. It’s not. Use common sense on the ground, strobes off at night so you don’t blind other guys taxiing.

What I did for a beacon light is install this little $40 bugger on the belly; even with the belly mount it throws plenty of light to get people’s attention. No glare in the cockpit.
https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...g-lights/1905/
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Old 10-11-2021, 09:56 AM
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Yes, strobes on continually while on the ground is annoying, even in day time. At night, I've heard many radio calls about "Strobes!" and then they usually go out. Perhaps a belly beacon would put out enough of a red flash on the ground to warn people. Thinking, thinking...
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Old 10-11-2021, 10:24 AM
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Some good points already made:
* Strobes can be obnoxiously bright on the ground, even in daytime.
* In some circumstances, your lights can blend in with background lights making your plane hard to see. I've found a bunch of similar ASRS reports.

It's also the case that on many bizjets, their red flashing lights can be very hard to see, ground to ground.

No, you don't *need* red flashing lights, but that doesn't mean that the safety benefits are never worthwhile in terms of bucks, weight, drag and complexity.
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