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Old 05-12-2022, 11:13 AM
ColoradoSolar ColoradoSolar is offline
 
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Default New Flap Motor Wiring

I just received the new style Vans flap motor in my kit but I can't find any info on it. Does anyone know what the pinout is?
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Old 05-12-2022, 12:04 PM
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What is the "new style" motor? Is it the showplanes system or something else? I may be a year out of date on what is "new".
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Old 05-12-2022, 12:18 PM
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The "new" flap motor is made by Progressive Automations. Of significant note is the new motor has built in position sensor (potentiometer) and has a 5 pin connector. No separate position sensor is required. The new motor has both a retrofit installation kit and a new construction drawing. Here is a link to the motor from Van's
https://store.vansaircraft.com/es-fa-pa-450-12-5.html
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Old 05-12-2022, 01:03 PM
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Sorry - can't help you then. I'm using the showplanes system that was supplied with my kit in 2020. Position sensor would be nice - my SteinAir panel has wiring to attach to one which I am leaving unused. Maybe if I ever replace my flap motor, this would be a good replacement.
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Old 05-12-2022, 01:07 PM
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Sure looks like the PH Aviation motor that many of us started using a few years ago. I wonder if Vanís is getting them from him. He has instructions on the website for the PH version anyway.

https://phaviation.com/products/prod...flap-actuator/
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Old 05-13-2022, 08:19 AM
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I just installed mine two days ago.
If you look closely at the wires, the heavier gauge red wire and the only black wire are your power wires. Just reverse polarity to extend/retract.
Sorry for that description, but there aren’t pin numbers on its molex plug.

Progressive automations does have a data sheet on their website for this, but I had a hard time following their pin callouts.
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Old 05-13-2022, 08:30 AM
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Does this motor require any modification to the original mounting structure, similar as the PH motor or is it a drop in type?
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Old 05-13-2022, 08:47 AM
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Does this motor require any modification to the original mounting structure, similar as the PH motor or is it a drop in type?
Looks like they redesigned the mounting bracket between the inboard footwell rib assemblies. I'm not 100% sure because I have the old style + PH Aviation, but from the online plans it looks like the new brackets are longer and mount on modified F1016D seat belt doublers. This probably has the effect of pushing the flap motor towards the front of the airplane, which is what the PH Aviation brackets are primarily intended to do.
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Old 05-13-2022, 09:04 AM
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Does this motor require any modification to the original mounting structure, similar as the PH motor or is it a drop in type?
As expected from Vans, the install kit/brackets were very well engineered making the process easy. Nothing sketchy about it.
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Old 05-13-2022, 09:32 AM
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Default RV-10 PA-12 Flap Motor

The manufacturer's documentation for this flap motor leaves a bit to be desired...

The thick wires are flap motor power. The thin wires are for the potentiometer. Yellow is power. Red (or Blue) is signal. White is ground.

Hope this helps!
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