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Old 08-15-2020, 10:29 PM
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Old 08-16-2020, 03:44 AM
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Old 08-16-2020, 04:35 AM
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Unfortunately, I live in this area and see people busting the TFR every weekend Trump is here. There is no reason for it. Can’t understand why people continue to be stupid and not do any preflight planning. This is just as bad as running out of fuel. No excuse.

Looks like he was from MS
https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/eas...olice-say.html

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Old 08-16-2020, 05:19 AM
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Last weekend, I was speaking to FSS prior to departing HPN VFR to the southwest. I could see a charted TFR for Trump's later departure from MMU, but not the current one while he was at Bedminster. The briefer volunteered that they didn't have the current TFR in their system, but his supervisor had told him that Skyvector had it charted. Sure enough, I could see it on the Skyvector website. As a result, I didn't become an incursion statistic.

I always call FSS about TFRs, BUT if the briefer hadn't volunteered that he had other information, I could have intruded on the TFR. I almost feel that I got lucky because the briefer shared his "other information".

By the way, I was was IFR inbound to HPN 2 days prior on my planned route around the TFR and ATC vectored me and others through the TFR. I appreciated the shortcut.

Y'all be careful out there.

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Old 08-16-2020, 07:01 AM
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Old 08-16-2020, 07:08 AM
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TFRs are the stupidest thing since automatic seatbelts. Feel-good security theater.
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Old 08-16-2020, 07:24 AM
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Unfortunately if a TFR doesn’t show up in Garmin Pilot or on my G3X I might find escorts next to me too! I haven’t called a briefer in 10 years...maybe I need to be more careful.
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Old 08-16-2020, 08:02 AM
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FWIW this is the "official" TFR website:

https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr2/list.html

I generally fly IFR everywhere I go for work but use foreflight and/or skyvector for preflight brief and they always seem to have TFRs depicted well. I have a Dynon HDX in my cub with ADSB in/out and its "supposed" to depict TFRs real-time.
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Old 08-16-2020, 09:19 AM
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Even the "official" TFR site has a big red-boxed CYA at the bottom which reads:

Depicted TFR data may not be a complete listing. Pilots should not use the information on this website for flight planning purposes. For the latest information, call your local Flight Service Station at 1-800-WX-BRIEF.

That's why I always call, BUT if the FSS doesn't even have the "latest" TFR charted, as was my case, it seems we, the pilots, would still be to blame, because we all know what rolls downhill! I highly doubt Foreflight, Garmin Pilot or ADS-B would take the rap for an uncharted active TFR.

Y'all be careful out there.

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Old 08-16-2020, 12:38 PM
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Even the "official" TFR site has a big red-boxed CYA at the bottom which reads:

Depicted TFR data may not be a complete listing. Pilots should not use the information on this website for flight planning purposes. For the latest information, call your local Flight Service Station at 1-800-WX-BRIEF.

That's why I always call, BUT if the FSS doesn't even have the "latest" TFR charted, as was my case, it seems we, the pilots, would still be to blame, because we all know what rolls downhill! I highly doubt Foreflight, Garmin Pilot or ADS-B would take the rap for an uncharted active TFR.

Y'all be careful out there.
This seems like a real catch-22. The official TFR site may not have a complete listing, and says to check FSS. The OP's direct experience shows the FSS doesn't necessarily have the complete current info. Seems pretty hard to expect to enforce a TFR if neither of the official sources have it.

BTW, 9 times out of 10 when I call FSS from the air, I get no answer. Flightwatch used to be incrementally better, but that's gone now.

I tend to use VFR flight following pretty regularly, in the hopes that the controllers will alert me and/or vector me around TFRs. Not a guarantee (nothing seems to be) but it is one additional layer of protection.
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