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Try TAM Graphics in San Angelo TX, owner Byron Kypfer, 325-277-6663, bkypfer@suddenlink.net
https://www.tamgangelo.com/?fbclid=I...W4fsjb3_NXEH_o
He has a full graphics shop and laser engraver, he engraved my fuel caps and has 20+ years experience cutting graphics for aircraft.
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N16GN flying 1,250 hrs and counting on 93E10; IO360, SDS, WWRV200, Dynon HDX, IFD440, G5
Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now. 
Repeat Offender - 10 empennage in process, engine core purchased 
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02-05-2023, 10:26 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by MacCool
No STC needed for G100UL, nor any other fuel for experiment airplanes. In fact… STCs aren’t needed for anything in experimental aviation.
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I hear ya, but have a hard time believing GAMI is just going to let all experimentals slide with no payment. The STC cost is how GAMI is recouping some of their development cost. One of the comments on the recent AVWEB article indicates FAA is requiring a list of all aircraft approved for the G100 fuel. I would assume that fuel will not be dispensed to an unapproved plane. Exactly how that would be implemented, I’m unsure, but seems like it could be done relatively easily.
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02-05-2023, 01:20 PM
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Location: central Minnesota
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Originally Posted by erich weaver
I hear ya, but have a hard time believing GAMI is just going to let all experimentals slide with no payment. The STC cost is how GAMI is recouping some of their development cost. One of the comments on the recent AVWEB article indicates FAA is requiring a list of all aircraft approved for the G100 fuel. I would assume that fuel will not be dispensed to an unapproved plane. Exactly how that would be implemented, I’m unsure, but seems like it could be done relatively easily.
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I’m confident that all GA piston-engine aircraft using G100UL will pay a premium at the pump that will include refining/blending, distribution, and development costs…certified and Experimental alike. A lot of that cost is for the STC itself and I’m inclined to doubt that GAMI will make us pay for that since we don’t need it. The rest of it…yeah, we’ll take it in the shorts for awhile as the blending and distribution pipeline ramps up.
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02-05-2023, 02:23 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hubbard Oregon
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Opinions are just that, until someone knows what GAMI is planning.
Why doesn't someone that hopes to use the fuel in an experimental, just call them up and ask?
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Hubbard, Oregon
Formerly of Van's Aircraft Engineering Prototype Shop
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02-05-2023, 02:38 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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The data plate on my O-360 A1A says, "Min octane 91/96".
Most Lycoming manuals state this. Why 2 min's RON and MON issue?
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02-06-2023, 03:43 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by rvbuilder2002
Why doesn't someone that hopes to use the fuel in an experimental, just call them up and ask?
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I emailed GAMI yesterday about this. Here is their reply:
“Experimentals do not need an STC to use the fuel. Like any other STC’d product, you can just put it on. However, we would be happy to sell you fuel filler placards if you wanted them. “
Thanks,
Paul Smith
Cool. Another reason I’m glad I own an experimental. Now Just waiting for some G100UL to be available.
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02-06-2023, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by erich weaver
I emailed GAMI yesterday about this. Here is their reply:
“Experimentals do not need an STC to use the fuel. Like any other STC’d product, you can just put it on. However, we would be happy to sell you fuel filler placards if you wanted them. “
Thanks,
Paul Smith
Cool. Another reason I’m glad I own an experimental. Now Just waiting for some G100UL to be available.
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Here are those placards as described in the GAMI's addition to the to the POH.
I read somewhere on their website that they're guessing 2023 will be logistics and ramp-up in 2024. AvFuel is managing distribution. It will be interesting to see at what rate G100UL trickles out to the small rural airports.
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IO-320D1A (factory new), C/S
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02-07-2023, 05:29 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Basalt, CO/Lexington, KY
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Originally Posted by MacCool
It will be interesting to see at what rate G100UL trickles out to the small rural airports.
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At every airport I land I inquire about their plan and timeline to comply with the EAGLE Initiative and begin offering an unleaded option and whether they are leaning toward GAMI G100UL, Swift UL94 or mogas. Other than only one airport manager they all looked at me as if I had lobsters crawling out of my ears. Totally unaware of the governmental plans to eliminate leaded fuels in aviation.
A few even laughed it off telling me they provide 100LL and they will always only provide 100LL (two even added that I should've purchased a "real" airplane).
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"...except during the month of Annual Condition Inspection." -Me (in the hangar)
"My first wife didn't like airplanes." - Gordon Baxter
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02-07-2023, 05:35 AM
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At the airport where I landed yesterday they didn’t know what MOGAS was either!
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02-07-2023, 05:59 AM
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Location: Dallas area
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PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE..........
Why are all you people insistent on adding non-required information on your filler cap placards? The regulations call for "Minimum Octane and Capacity"; Nothing more.
Regulations do NOT call for "lead content" or anything else.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century. Over 1,000 certifications accomplished. Discount for Veterans, Law Enforcement, Fire Fighters.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1, Lifetime EAA.
Recipient of EAA Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
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