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Old 01-26-2012, 06:23 PM
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It would be interesting to know how many E-AB planes are owned and flown by their builder. My guess would be that many more planes are flown by second, third, or fourth owners and many less are flown by builders. If that is true, and I have no way of knowing if it is or not, than builders need to step up their safety program. From reports I have seen and makes sense, the first 40 hours is the time to be extra cautious. That may be the reason it is close to 50-50 in this survey.
Without additional information, it is an interesting report, but doesn't give enough detail to make much of a judgment other than be careful!
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The following are arbitrary made up numbers, but:
If 5/500 planes owned by builders crash, and 5/5,000 planes owned by 2nd/3rd/4th owners crash, you get the 50/50 ratio stated in that statistic, but clearly there is a different trend.

I'd like to see a study with data on how much pilot TT, pilot RV specific time, acft TT on that specific RV, transition training, currency, etc., to see the whole picture before drawing any statistical conclusions.

Me thinks there are too many variables to point fingers at one specific trend. Each trend is important to note, though, so long as the rest of the factors are observed and noted as well.

That said, I am quite certain those conducting these studies are just as aware of these variables as we are (hopefully more-so), so I'm interested to see more when published.
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:12 PM
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Firstly you've gotta get around this "it's my inalienable right to be an idiot in whatever manner I please" mentality which those types of personalities often exhibit.

I agree also that the "53%" figure doesn't have enough surrounding context and information to make judgements on exactly what it means.

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Old 01-27-2012, 03:18 AM
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Firstly you've gotta get around this "it's my inalienable right to be an idiot in whatever manner I please" mentality which those types of personalities often exhibit.
That is exactly the problem. Nor respect for the rules of law, rules of physics and the plentiful supply of previous deaths that have proven the consequences........ohh but I am a smarter pilot than they were!!

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"it's my inalienable right to be an idiot in whatever manner I please"
I think the official FAA term for this attitude is "anti-authority". Perhaps EAB owners are a bit more likely to exhibit it than the general pilot population? After all, one of the major reasons for building such aircraft is that you don't have to conform to a type certificate (="authority").
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I am really curious about the upcoming report and how the experimental -v- certified SEL statistics play out.
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Firstly you've gotta get around this "it's my inalienable right to be an idiot in whatever manner I please" mentality which those types of personalities often exhibit.
Around here, we have a joke:
Q: What are the last words of a redneck?
A: "Hey, y'all, watch this!"

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I agree also that the "53%" figure doesn't have enough surrounding context and information to make judgements on exactly what it means.
There are lies, d-d lies, and statistics. The rate with contributing factors would be more demonstrative than a top-level grouping. I would hazard a guess there are statistics galore in the underlying data. It would be interesting to do an analysis. If you enjoy that sort of thing...
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