Even the "official" TFR site has a big red-boxed CYA at the bottom which reads:
Depicted TFR data may not be a complete listing. Pilots should not use the information on this website for flight planning purposes. For the latest information, call your local Flight Service Station at 1-800-WX-BRIEF.
That's why I always call, BUT if the FSS doesn't even have the "latest" TFR charted, as was my case, it seems we, the pilots, would still be to blame, because we all know what rolls downhill! I highly doubt Foreflight, Garmin Pilot or ADS-B would take the rap for an uncharted active TFR.
Y'all be careful out there.
Even the "official" TFR site has a big red-boxed CYA at the bottom which reads:
Depicted TFR data may not be a complete listing. Pilots should not use the information on this website for flight planning purposes. For the latest information, call your local Flight Service Station at 1-800-WX-BRIEF.
That's why I always call, BUT if the FSS doesn't even have the "latest" TFR charted, as was my case, it seems we, the pilots, would still be to blame, because we all know what rolls downhill! I highly doubt Foreflight, Garmin Pilot or ADS-B would take the rap for an uncharted active TFR.
Y'all be careful out there.
I am pretty confident that the calls to FSS are recorded and you would have a good excuse for the incursion during the FAA debrief from that event if you called for an official briefing and not given the TFR details. FAA seems to be clear that FSS is "the source" for info like this.
Seems the bigger issue is monitoring gaurd. I suspect there is way less drama if ATC can get a hold of you and you quickly vacate the TFR space.
Larry
those silly Marine aviators were apparently out practicing their route and remote landing site procedures for a POTUS visit 48 hours from then..
A bad choice of words?
I can't imagine he was making a negative comment about the fine men and women that help to defend our country and way of life. I suspect his comment was targeted at the administrators that find it necessary to require practice flights whose purpose is to bring our politic leaders to golfing events.
Larry
If you need to be called, it's too late.
Not always. Sometimes my tangential passage of a TFR circle trips the "first call" buffer. Always fun to talk on guard with a purpose: "Thanks, USAF, I'm your bogie, I am well aware and will remain clear."
I am pretty confident that the calls to FSS are recorded and you would have a good excuse for the incursion during the FAA debrief from that event if you called for an official briefing and not given the TFR details. FAA seems to be clear that FSS is "the source" for info like this.
Larry
I teach regularly in the DC SFRA. I have been coaching all of my students for a couple of years that a 5 minute call to the briefer - even if they get their briefings through electronic means - to check for pop-up TFRs or other creative uses of the sky - before the flight is time well spent and for exactly the above reason.
Agreed with the other post about monitoring Guard. It got pretty bad last summer with a lot of useless chatter (meowing, etc) but it's been much better of late.
A USAF aircraft shooting down a US-registered private aircraft in US airspace would cause as much outrage as George Floyd's murder. Despite the saber-rattling, I seriously doubt it would ever happen.As for listening up on guard for these "silly" TFRs, two comments. If you need to be called, it's too late. Second, there's nothing more chilling than hearing a US citizen Air Force pilot threaten to "fire upon" a wayward US citizen GA pilot. Nice!
I'm quite sure that the average US Joe 6-pack would say the rich airplane owner got what he deserved. Prob getting too political now, so I'll stop.A USAF aircraft shooting down a US-registered private aircraft in US airspace would cause as much outrage as George Floyd's murder. Despite the saber-rattling, I seriously doubt it would ever happen.