+1 On a "hand off" that is exactly what I use: "Denver Center- N12345 - 8500 ft" Tells them exactly what they need. They were expecting you and they just need to know you are there and what altitude you show.
+1 On a "hand off" that is exactly what I use: "Denver Center- N12345 - 8500 ft" Tells them exactly what they need. They were expecting you and they just need to know you are there and what altitude you show.
Houston Center, N12345, 4,000 climbing to 6,500."
When under ATC control and changing frequency what is the current correct terminology to announce your presence on the new frequency, I have recently read that "with you" is not correct and "up" is also not correct.
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In the spirit of brevity, I don't even include the name of the controlling facility.
+1 On a "hand off" that is exactly what I use: "Denver Center- N12345 - 8500 ft" Tells them exactly what they need. They were expecting you and they just need to know you are there and what altitude you show.
None is as bad as the dummy that says,
Wait....
Wait...
Any traffic in the pattern please advise.
Try that in Central Texas where most airports are on 122.8. The guys that say this usually forget to start with the airport name. Almost as bad as a meow-war on guard. Lots of fun!None is as bad as the dummy that says,
Wait....
Wait...
Any traffic in the pattern please advise.
Lately, I had several issues when checking in (IFR flight plan). Three times on long cross countries, the controllers were working multiple frequencies and although I could not hear, they were busy. Very busy, so I have begun to just call out my tail # and wait. Then "RV226 whiskey lima level eight thousand"
I add the "level" because in a flight (two different flights) with 13 handoffs, ATC asked if I was level more than once. I don't know what they may be seeing as I was level on AP the whole time. Usually in smooth air.
Anyone know why they would ask, and should I continue with the "level" call out?
Nope, read again what he wrote. He?s checking in (holy cr@p I said the bad words!) on a IFR flight plan, not calling to request flight following. No extra congestion caused here."...so I have begun to just call out my tail # and wait. Then "RV226 whiskey lima level eight thousand"..."
...and you contribute to the congestion on the frequency because now he has to ASK for the information that you should have provided on the initial call and you have to answer...again...
Exactly! A huge peeve of mine is just this; flipping to a new frequency, mash the PTT and start yakking. I hear it multiple times every day and it drives me nuts, it?s just freakin rude. The worst I?ve seen was one night at Denver; on a visual approach I switched to tower with the usual ?Good evening Tower, United XXX visual 17L?. One second after I released the PTT some idiot Southwest guy starts talking, also checking in with tower. I wanted to hug the tower guy as he ignored SWA and cleared us to land...One of my personal upsets are pilots failure to listen on the new frequency before reporting in. If a controller is giving another aircraft control instructions they really don?t want to hear anyone?s else?s ums and awhs until they know United 680 has visual with the traffic they have pointed out to them. My rule of thumb is to give the frequency at least 5 seconds before making my initial call. YMMV
Lately, I had several issues when checking in (IFR flight plan). Three times on long cross countries, the controllers were working multiple frequencies and although I could not hear, they were busy. Very busy, so I have begun to just call out my tail # and wait. Then "RV226 whiskey lima level eight thousand"
I add the "level" because in a flight (two different flights) with 13 handoffs, ATC asked if I was level more than once. I don't know what they may be seeing as I was level on AP the whole time. Usually in smooth air.
Anyone know why they would ask, and should I continue with the "level" call out?
Perhaps that I always found controllers helpful when I lived in the US!!Always extra points if the pilot has a proper British accent....
I don't think that is a good idea. I often hear people calling the wrong facility on initial call up. Identifying who you think you are talking to on the first call helps to "quickly" identify errors. Without this, when the wrong frequency is dialed in the controller could spend a decent amount of time trying to find the mystery plane that is not on his screen. We follow the same logic when we repeat the clearance instructions or amendments we just received. Yes, it wastes air time, but history has shown that it helps to bring out misunderstandings before they do damage, in the IFR environment anyways. Also, I don't think that I have ever heard ATC identify themselves as "approach" or "center." They always include the facility name and I suspect that is on purpose to avoid miscommunication.
Larry
Perhaps that I always found controllers helpful when I lived in the US!!
“...You are either Level, Climbing, or Descending. No “with you”. No “climbing to”. No “4 for 5”...”
Well, you would be very disappointed listening to radio chatter day in and day out. All of those terms, and many others, are routinely used every day. Is it proper phraseology? Nope, but it is reality...
"...so I have begun to just call out my tail # and wait. Then "RV226 whiskey lima level eight thousand"..."
...and you contribute to the congestion on the frequency because now he has to ASK for the information that you should have provided on the initial call and you have to answer...again...
Bill, just curious if it was a point to point normal XC or a multiple airport multiple approaches bouncing in and out of different facilities.
Flight plan info to/from centers, approach controls as towers doesn?t process the same. Some routes like IAF?s versus landing airports and temporary versus filed altitude can raise questions as to what the aircraft is or wants to do.
?...You are either Level, Climbing, or Descending. No ?with you?. No ?climbing to?. No ?4 for 5?...?
Well, you would be very disappointed listening to radio chatter day in and day out. All of those terms, and many others, are routinely used every day. Is it proper phraseology? Nope, but it is reality...
One second after I released the PTT some idiot Southwest guy starts talking...
We (WN) are the worst at this...it drives me nuts. What the **** is the rush? I'd think most controllers would rather you forget to check in. This is one of my biggest pet peeves.
When trying to check on to a very busy frequency sometimes the best thing you can do is wait 5-10 minutes. Don’t wait if you Need something, but patience is appreciated. If the controller needs to get ahold of you they’ll be calling you!
For the love God and all that is holy if you press the PTT button and forget what you were going to say (it doesn't matter who are saying to, ATC, Tower, CTAF), please let the button go then figure out what you were going to say.
When trying to check on to a very busy frequency sometimes the best thing you can do is wait 5-10 minutes. Don?t wait if you Need something, but patience is appreciated. If the controller needs to get ahold of you they?ll be calling you!
hi I work at Miami center and have been a controller since 89. We use altitude leaving to verify and validate your mode c. Now saying your altitude and assigned altitude is a good idea, otherwise you will hear verify assigned altitude. We want to make sure what is in the data block is factual. You have no idea how many times this has saved pilots and controllers from deviations. When we don't hear altitude leaving and assigned altitude it is like reading half a sentence.
Another scenario which is different but happens frequently... AAL57 is at FL360,High alt sector assigns AAL57 pilots discretion decent maintain FL240, AAL57 checks on with low altitude sector saying AAL57 FL360. Now the low altitude controller is confused. We have two options, get control from high so we can descend him or ask the pilot to verify his assigned altitude, both adding to workload.