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September 21, 2018.  Issue #4,659.
  Wishing you and yours a happy, safe and RV-filled weekend!

First solo flight

It's as official as it's going to get. This evening I took my newly finished plane out solo. I put in 7 flights with my engine builder to get me completely comfortable handling the plane. I decided to leave him behind today and went out for some circuits resulting in 9 decent landings (out of 9). Greased the mains every time, bounced the nose wheel a little a couple of times.

This really is an easy plane to fly, I'm probably a little fast, final at 75kts, touching down at about 65. No problem getting down to those speeds with my c/s prop. I'm finding it to settle down very well, sinking exactly like I'd expect it to. I haven't used full flaps yet, 1/2 (18 deg) is good enough.

Flying solo showed a bit of a heavy left side - not there at all dual. I had a full left tank as well, so I would have been surprised if the wasn't some heaviness to the left. Didn't need to adjust anything to fly it like that other than a touch of right stick that I hardly noticed.

This also marked the first flight where my EGTs stayed below 400F all the way. I hit 399 on #1 on the first circuit, it peaked in the low 380s after that. Fuel flow was 8-9 gph on downwind while indicating 103-110 kts.

The most surreal part of the flight tonight is that I didn't need to schedule anything and I didn't need anyone's permission. I can get used to that! I'm looking forward to starting on some of the actual testing over the next few flights. The grin may be permanent.
Claude Pitre
RV-9A #91081, C-GCPT


Panel Status/Ideas/Thoughts ...Carl Froehlich

The base element on panel design is to separate what stuff and wires stay in the plane, and what comes out when you pull the panel.

Below is a photo of my panel test fit on the new RV-8 project (third project with this approach). This will be a full dual SkyView EFIS install (a 10 and a 7), Dynon radio, XPDR and ARINC module mounted on the bulkhead forward of the panel.

On the removable part of the panel there are breakers only for the removable panel stuff; two for the GTN-650, one for the audio panel and one spare. These breaker get power via a 0.093 pin Molex connector from the Left Vital bus. All the interconnection wiring between the GTN and the audio panel comes out with the panel (as do both trays). The connections to all the other stuff are either coax or D connectors. All of the other panel is connected via D connectors on the back of the component (both SKyView displays and the three SkyView remote modules). All this wiring says in the plane when you pull the panel. All remaining Left Vital load breakers are on the left panel wing, Right Vital load breakers on on the right panel wing - they stay in the airplane when you pull the panel. Non-vital loads and associated switch breakers (landing lights, nav/strobe, Pitot heat, Start solenoid, Voltage Regulator, etc.) are on the side breaker panel.

Note - both the GTN-650 and the PDA360EX audio panel trays get rear supports. For the GTN this is a piece of aluminum connected to the bottom of the tray, the forward end having a nutplate. Support is via a single screw coming in from the baggage compartment. The audio panel is similar, but is supported via the cross tie below the panel.

Goal - never be on your back with your head under the panel.


Empennage Mistake

So I made my first mistake when I misread the plans while countersinking the flanges on the VS-1003 spar. The holes at the top of the spar where the skin mates to it but the stiffeners don't on the back side, I countersunk all the flange holes instead of dimpling the top 5 or 6 holes. I actually found it quite miraculous that the holes didn't elongate and cause the countersink to chatter in the holes. Anywho, probably going to order a new spar tomorrow, yalls thoughts?
Brandon Flores
N710LL Reserved


RV-6 for IFR (Status).  ...rolivi

Sadly, my plane is allowed to fly IFR but I am not, yet.

I heeded the autopilot advice (2-Axis) and probably overspent a bit on the panel. I learned during recent IFR certification check that when a backup altimeter is installed it too must be to standards. [That meant rebuilding it] Also had some static leaks. All and all, the inspection cost a bit more than expected, but even VFR I know my P/S based instrumentation is completely up to snuff so there is some comfort where my $$$ used to be.

And since you asked for photos...


RENO PIREP ...Chkaharyer99

Dynon Dave and Associates,

It was my great honor and privilege to act as crew chief for my friend Lee Ulrich, #101, a turbo charged angle valve IO-360, Vans RV-7, called the "General Lee".

My job as crew chief was made significantly more effective and efficient because of Dynon's generous provision of an appropriately sized hospitality tent. The tent was in close proximity to the 101, and served as a base of operations for discussing tactics, race strategy, and/or cooling off or getting out of the wind.

Many enjoyed the numerous amenities, treats, cold drinks and other refreshments supplied by the folks from Dynon. The couch and comfy chair were especially popular. There always seemed to be enough chairs to accommodate everyone who visited.

The Dynon hats, stickers and other swag were very popular.

Countless folks gawked at the Dynon panels in both Dan "Nordo" West beautiful blue and white Super Charged RV-8 as well as Lee's 101.

As for what Dynon can do better next year? That's difficult to say because your support was, in my opinion, over the top. Maybe more exposure to your staff, a few more hats, some T-shirts. If appropriate, consider a raffle.

It was really cool meeting you Dave. I was impressed to see you hanging out pumping gas in race planes. Your hard work and support serves as a great example to everyone who participated. Thank you!



14 spinner ...Carl Froehlich thoughts

For those who want to step beyond the as provided plans.

In my opinion, the RV-10 cowl set up for a 13 spinner is just not to scale for this airplane. While I clearly understand the benifits of common parts across the Vans models, the standard 13 spinner just looks like an afterthought.

This photo is an RV-10 with a James cowl design for a 14 spinner. The extra inch, I offer, makes all the difference.

Will James no longer sells this cowl, but if enough people pinged him perhaps he will offer it again.



Mothership Job Openings


From the Desk of the Mothership

"Please let the RV community know that I will be out of the office October 9-November 1st-ish. My husband and I will be celebrating our 25th wedding anniversary with a trip to Scotland. J

If anyone needs ownership transfers, or FAA bill of sales typed up, please contact me on before October 1st at 503-678-6545 x 322 or cynthia 'at' vansaircraft 'dot' com"

Cynthia A. Schrantz
Administrative Assistant
Van's Aircraft, Inc.
14401 Keil Road N.E.
Aurora, Oregon 97002
503-678-6545 ext. 322


How to Minimize the Chance You Could be Dealing with a Scammer

...when using the classifieds.


Model-specific subforums

photo courtesy Van's Aircraft, Inc.






photo courtesy Fred Bauer, Jr.

VAF Calendar ...upcoming Events for the Next 60 Day(s)

09-16-2018: Ist Annual Wings and Wheels Event at KFLY
09-22-2018: EAA 983 Flyin at 0TX1 Pecan Plantation, Texas, Annual Morristown, TN (KMOR) EAA Flyin, Ironflight's birthday breakfast-brunch-flyin
09-29-2018: KFRH Fish Fry Fly-in 9/29/2018, Long Island Airpark Fly-In (NC26) 9am-4pm
10-05-2018: 2018 Pine Bluff Formation Clinic
10-06-2018: 2018 Pine Bluff Formation Clinic, Ramona Air Fair & Fly-In
10-07-2018: 2018 Pine Bluff Formation Clinic
10-13-2018: Abilene,TX~EAA 471~Breakfast, EAA 471 Breakfast~Abilene TX
10-19-2018: Petit Jean 2018 ... The RV Gathering on the Mountain
10-20-2018: Petit Jean 2018 ... The RV Gathering on the Mountain, Hidden Valley Airpark Fly In, Denton, Texas
10-21-2018: Petit Jean 2018 ... The RV Gathering on the Mountain
11-10-2018: Abilene,TX~EAA 471~Breakfast, EAA 471 Breakfast~Abilene TX

Building a Case for the RV-Super Cub ...updated 9/19 20Z
...a document in progress (feedback last several pages).  If you feel the same let me know - I'll add it.

Spotlighted Feedback:

"... if Van's offered a (preferably) tandem, 2 seat, bush geared, Super Cub replacement, I would almost certainly order one sight unseen!​ Not to replace the RV-8, but to fulfill the low and slow sightseeing/back country exploring that are so appealing." --Jon Farley   RV-8 N518RT

"...I love this type of flying. I would want to own, promote, fly a Van's product like this if it was available." -- Jay Pratt RV-8/6

"...I stand in line with you on the RV cub! I built Crazy Woman (now at 52F!) and now building another-8... If Vans comes out with a -15 Cub, Ill order the kit yesterday!
-- Thomas Henderson RV-8

"...I would still consider a high wing RV and put my S-21 on hold." --Vern Little RV-9A

"...I've been flying an RV-9A for nearly 10 years now......If I knew Van's was heading that direction, I may be in front of you in line for the tail kit."
-- Carl Raichle

"...My vote goes for 'RV Super Cub'." -- Vlad RV-9A

"If Vans offered a product in that genre, it would be a no-brainer for me. That would be my next build.​" --mwardle7 (RV-12 flying)

..I've been ready to build another aluminum riveted high wing for some time, I'd really like it to be from the RV family. -- Bud Smith RV-8 (dbuds2 on VAF)

"Ready to start a backcountry ship. Release that Vans unit or Ill be forced to build one from brand X!"  -- Blain Stumpf RV-8 N82ST

"I agree Van's could and would take a large share of the high wing bush market if they entered. If Van's builds it they will come. Van's is king of the kitplane world and when they offer a product everyone knows it will be quality."  -- Maxwell Duke   RV10 NEW 

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