[Mel]

Hey Guys & Gals, Your Data Plate is supposed to match the registration EXACTLY!

I continuously run across data plates that have a middle initial where the registration does not or vice-versa.

I also find too often where there is a mismatch between model designation. Such as RV8 vs RV-8.

Please pay attention to the details. The FAA does NOT like these little discrepancies.

 

[rvbuilder2002]

Hey Guys & Gals, Your Data Plate is supposed to match the registration EXACTLY!

I continuously run across data plates that have a middle initial where the registration does not or vice-versa.

I also find too often where there is a mismatch between model designation. Such as RV8 vs RV-8.

Please pay attention to the details. The FAA does NOT like these little discrepancies.

I find issues pretty often as well.
In the help document I provide to anyone I am working with, I recommend not getting the data plate made/engraved until after the builder has received their Form 8050-3 registration card. then make sure that when it is made, it matches the info on the card. Exactly. Even punctuation.

 

[texdog]

What about changing N numbers. Do you keep the original data plate after you change the N number.
Thanks

 

[rvbuilder2002]

What about changing N numbers. Do you keep the original data plate after you change the N number.
Thanks

The only data required on the data plate is MAKE, MODEL, AND SERIAL #
It doesn't have any connection to what Registration # is on the aircraft.

 

[Ironflight]

The only data required on the data plate is MAKE, MODEL, AND SERIAL #
It doesn't have any connection to what Registration # is on the aircraft.

What Scott said! I started out using fancy data plates that looked cool and had all sorts of data….which someday change! I now use three-line data plates, and recommend that to others. Super simple.

 

[RV6_flyer]

What Scott said! I started out using fancy data plates that looked cool and had all sorts of data….which someday change! I now use three-line data plates, and recommend that to others. Super simple.

My favorite data plate.

 

[texdog]

Thank you, that’s what I thought, but it was easier to understand from you and the regulations.

 

[RV7A Flyer]

Please pay attention to the details. The FAA does NOT like these little discrepancies.

They care about it so much that they changed the builder name (mine) from "Last, First MI" on ALL of the paperwork I submitted to "First MI Last" on AWC (but not on the registration).

 

[RV7A Flyer]

The only data required on the data plate is MAKE, MODEL, AND SERIAL #
It doesn't have any connection to what Registration # is on the aircraft.

Yep. However, the OP said

Your Data Plate is supposed to match the registration EXACTLY!

Hmmmm....

So a data plate that says "Joe Builder, RV-16, #1" has to match the name of the person or company that buys the plane and re-registers it accordingly?

I must be in trouble, then, because my registration lists me as a trustee, but the data plate doesn't (and the first/last/mi order is different, as well).

 

[rvbuilder2002]

Yep. However, the OP said


Hmmmm....

So a data plate that says "Joe Builder, RV-16, #1" has to match the name of the person or company that buys the plane and re-registers it accordingly?

I must be in trouble, then, because my registration lists me as a trustee, but the data plate doesn't (and the first/last/mi order is different, as well).

You are confusing two different things. The data plate identifies the airplane by showing its serial number, model, and who the original manufacturer was. The original manufacture is the person’s name.
The name of the person that is the current owner is a different part of the registration record. It is not something that goes on the data plate.

 

[RV7A Flyer]

You are confusing two different things. The data plate identifies the airplane by showing its serial number, model, and who the original manufacturer was. The original manufacture is the person’s name.
The name of the person that is the current owner is a different part of the registration record. It is not something that goes on the data plate.

I know that. I was concurring with what you said earlier and pointing out the apparent error in the first post. Guess I should have put a /s marker on the end of my post .

That being the case, the FAA *still* managed change the manufacturer/builder name when the original paperwork for the inspection and AWC was submitted, as I earlier stated (i.e., they don't seem to have the same issues about things matching *exactly* ).

 

[Draker]

I find issues pretty often as well.
In the help document I provide to anyone I am working with, I recommend not getting the data plate made/engraved until after the builder has received their Form 8050-3 registration card. then make sure that when it is made, it matches the info on the card. Exactly. Even punctuation.

I brought my actual registration card into the trophy shop that engraved my data plate just to make sure it matched exactly. It seems so simple, it’s hard to believe that many people screw this up!

 

[scrollF4]

Make (ie Manufacturer ie Builder’s name)
Model (RV-7A)
Serial Number (came with the kit from Van’s. This is not the N number).

 

[vic syracuse]

This the most often discovered discrepancy I find on airplanes, both when doing a DAR inspection or a prebuy. It is always the name. It has to be EXACTLY as on the registration. Think of how many people have names have a like-sounding first and last names, like John Paul or Ruth Chris, as examples. One person might be John Paul and another person be Paul John. Pay attention.

The other common mistake I see is builders put Vans Aircraft as the builder. This is only valid for S-LSA and E-LSA. It’s amazing to me how many have slipped through the system and have Vans listed on both the registration and the data plate as the manufacturer.

Vic

 

[RV7A Flyer]

Make (ie Manufacturer ie Builder’s name)
Model (RV-7A)
Serial Number (came with the kit from Van’s. This is not the N number).

Serial number can be ANY number (or combination of numbers and letters) you choose when submitting the paperwork for the initial registration/AWC, as long as it is unique to that manufacturer. Mine is 001.

 

[JohnBruns]

So I hate to beat a dead horse, but does the Aircraft Manufacturer have to match the applicant/owner? I would prefer to list the manufacturer as First M. Last, Jr. However the 8050-1 requires Last, First, M., Jr. for the applicant. The only reason is that I would prefer the data plate read First M. Last, Jr.

Thanks for you patience!

John
Closing in on an RV-10!

 

[Mel]

So I hate to beat a dead horse, but does the Aircraft Manufacturer have to match the applicant/owner? I would prefer to list the manufacturer as First M. Last, Jr. However the 8050-1 requires Last, First, M., Jr. for the applicant. The only reason is that I would prefer the data plate read First M. Last, Jr.
Thanks for your patience!
John
Closing in on an RV-10!

The Aircraft Manufacturer does NOT have to match the applicant/owner. Many "Aircraft Manufacturer" list First, M, Last.

 

[JohnBruns]

The Aircraft Manufacturer does NOT have to match the applicant/owner. Many "Aircraft Manufacturer" list First, M, Last.

Thank you!

 

[scsmith]

So, Mel, and Scott, and Paul,
here is a problem I got stuck with.

I made my data plate to say builder: 'Stephen C. Smith'
.
I submitted my registration application 8050-1 with the name: 'Stephen C. Smith' as manufacturer on line 2.

matched exactly.

On line 6 of 8050-1, it asks for the applicant's name, last name first. So on line 6 I wrote 'Smith, Stephen C.'

Then, when the registration came back complete, the registration says: Smith, Stephen C.

So it doesn't match the data plate exactly. What now?

 

[Mel]

So, Mel, and Scott, and Paul,
here is a problem I got stuck with.
I made my data plate to say builder: 'Stephen C. Smith'.
I submitted my registration application 8050-1 with the name: 'Stephen C. Smith' as manufacturer on line 2.
matched exactly.
On line 6 of 8050-1, it asks for the applicant's name, last name first. So on line 6 I wrote 'Smith, Stephen C.'
Then, when the registration came back complete, the registration says: Smith, Stephen C.
So it doesn't match the data plate exactly. What now?

Don't quite understand your problem. If your data plate shows STEPHEN C SMITH as manufacturer and registration shows STEPHEN C SMITH as manufacturer, that is a match. "Applicant" name does not necessarily relate to "manufacturer".
BTW, there should be NO punctuation on your registration or the data plate.

 

[rvbuilder2002]

So, Mel, and Scott, and Paul,
here is a problem I got stuck with.

I made my data plate to say builder: 'Stephen C. Smith'
.
I submitted my registration application 8050-1 with the name: 'Stephen C. Smith' as manufacturer on line 2.

matched exactly.

On line 6 of 8050-1, it asks for the applicant's name, last name first. So on line 6 I wrote 'Smith, Stephen C.'

Then, when the registration came back complete, the registration says: Smith, Stephen C.

So it doesn't match the data plate exactly. What now?

You need to make a new data plate so that it matches how the manufacture is listed on the registration.
This is the exact reason that I tell all of my certification clients to not make their data plate until they physically possess the 8050–3 registration card so that they can make the data plate one time and have it match.

 

[RV7A Flyer]

You need to make a new data plate so that it matches how the manufacture is listed on the registration.
This is the exact reason that I tell all of my certification clients to not make their data plate until they physically possess the 8050–3 registration card so that they can make the data plate one time and have it match.

So, Mel, and Scott, and Paul,
here is a problem I got stuck with.

I made my data plate to say builder: 'Stephen C. Smith'
.
I submitted my registration application 8050-1 with the name: 'Stephen C. Smith' as manufacturer on line 2.

matched exactly.

On line 6 of 8050-1, it asks for the applicant's name, last name first. So on line 6 I wrote 'Smith, Stephen C.'

Then, when the registration came back complete, the registration says: Smith, Stephen C.

So it doesn't match the data plate exactly. What now?

You're going to have to be more specific here. What, exactly, doesn't match?

There's a MANUFACTURER name, where it says "Manufacturer and Manufacturer's Designation of Aircraft", and then there's the box labelled "Issued To", with the *owner's* name (the registrant's name).

The confusion, I think, is that most people building RVs use their name for the manufacturer AND the owner/registrant (cause, why not? we're proud of having built it!). The name on the dataplate has to match the *manufacturer* name, model and serial number on the AWC. The same is true of the manufacturer name on the registration application and the registration itself. That manufacturer name never changes.

But the *registered owner* can be you, your trust, an LLC, the guy you sold it to, whatever. The dataplate has nothing to do with the *registered owner* name.
(I'm sure someone will correct me if my understanding here is wrong).

So what is on your 8050-3 in *both* places?

 

[scsmith]

Don't quite understand your problem. If your data plate shows STEPHEN C SMITH as manufacturer and registration shows STEPHEN C SMITH as manufacturer, that is a match. "Applicant" name does not necessarily relate to "manufacturer".
BTW, there should be NO punctuation on your registration or the data plate.

You're going to have to be more specific here. What, exactly, doesn't match?

There's a MANUFACTURER name, where it says "Manufacturer and Manufacturer's Designation of Aircraft", and then there's the box labelled "Issued To", with the *owner's* name (the registrant's name).

I will have to double check next time I am at the hangar, but my recollection is that on line 2 of the 8050-1, "manufacturer" , I put Stephen C Smith, matching the data plate, and yet, when the 8050-3 registration came, on the line that says "manufacturer" the FAA put Smith, Stephen C.

I may recall incorrectly, but I remember that despite my best efforts, I ended up with a mismatch. I like Scott's suggestion - don't make the data plate until you have the registration in hand.

 

[rvbuilder2002]

The regulations require the builders name be used to designate the manufacturer for an experimental amateur built.
There is no option to use something else.

 

[rvbuilder2002]

I will have to double check next time I am at the hangar, but my recollection is that on line 2 of the 8050-1, "manufacturer" , I put Stephen C Smith, matching the data plate, and yet, when the 8050-3 registration came, on the line that says "manufacturer" the FAA put Smith, Stephen C.

I may recall incorrectly, but I remember that despite my best efforts, I ended up with a mismatch. I like Scott's suggestion - don't make the data plate until you have the registration in hand.

This is entirely possible. I have seen it happen before.
And is why I say to wait to make the data plate.

 

[plehrke]

Hey Guys & Gals, Your Data Plate is supposed to match the registration EXACTLY!

I continuously run across data plates that have a middle initial where the registration does not or vice-versa.

I also find too often where there is a mismatch between model designation. Such as RV8 vs RV-8.

Please pay attention to the details. The FAA does NOT like these little discrepancies.

From reading this thread, it appears many EAB do not have matching data plates and registration. I guess not all DARs are checking this when giving the air worthiness.
So what is the downside if they don’t match? What does “FAA not liking” mean?

 

[Mel]

From reading this thread, it appears many EAB do not have matching data plates and registration. I guess not all DARs are checking this when giving the air worthiness.
So what is the downside if they don’t match? What does “FAA not liking” mean?

If they are paying attention, they will "kick back" the certification. In years past, they didn't care as long as it was obvious. In recent years, they have tightened up on a lot of things.

 

[plehrke]

If they are paying attention, they will "kick back" the certification. In years past, they didn't care as long as it was obvious. In recent years, they have tightened up on a lot of things.

I guess the kick-back would happen at a ramp check as a physical inspection of aircraft is only way to know what the data plate says.

 

[Dugaru]

So what is the downside if they don’t match? What does “FAA not liking” mean?

It’s time for someone to claim that an insurer will deny coverage!

 

[Mel]

I guess the kick-back would happen at a ramp check as a physical inspection of aircraft is only way to know what the data plate says.

The "kick-back" should come at aircraft inspection. It's the inspectors responsibility to see that regulations are followed.

It's gotten so bad that I won't even go out to do an inspection until I receive a picture of the data plate so I can compare it to the registration.

 

[roadrunner20]

BTW, The model# never changes either.

I changed my 7A to a tailwheel in 2012 & the FAA will never let me change the model#.
This creates a lot of confusion ever time I renew my insurance when I indicate time in Make/Model & TW time.

 

[RV7A Flyer]

The regulations require the builders name be used to designate the manufacturer for an experimental amateur built.
There is no option to use something else.

But that "builder's name" can be pretty much anything...notice all the LLCs, partnerships, multiple names, etc., in the registry *just for RVs*.

 

[rvbuilder2002]

But that "builder's name" can be pretty much anything...notice all the LLCs, partnerships, multiple names, etc., in the registry *just for RVs*.

What ever is printed in Block 2 on the AC 8050-1 application form, is what will be officially registered as the name of the manufacturer.
Whether that be an individuals name, an LLC name, etc.
That must also match what is listed on the data plate.

Most people (I have only seen a couple having done a lot of certifications) have to use there name because they are not using another entity when applying for registration.
So from my experience, 99% of certifications do have to use their personal name as the Manufacturer designation.

So if I am being cross examined by you like I was in court, Yes, you have proven that there is an occasional situation where a persons name may not be listed as manufacturer on the registration or data plate.

I see this as being entirely irrelevant to the conversation in this thread though, because the entire point of the conversation was that what ever is listed in the manufacturer block of your registration card has to be EXACTLY the same as what is engraved for the manufacturer on the aircraft data plate.

 

[RV7A Flyer]

What ever is printed in Block 2 on the AC 8050-1 application form, is what will be officially registered as the name of the manufacturer.
Whether that be an individuals name, an LLC name, etc.
That must also match what is listed on the data plate.

Most people (I have only seen a couple having done a lot of certifications) have to use there name because they are not using another entity when applying for registration.
So from my experience, 99% of certifications do have to use their personal name as the Manufacturer designation.

So if I am being cross examined by you like I was in court, Yes, you have proven that there is an occasional situation where a persons name may not be listed as manufacturer on the registration or data plate.

I see this as being entirely irrelevant to the conversation in this thread though, because the entire point of the conversation was that what ever is listed in the manufacturer block of your registration card has to be EXACTLY the same as what is engraved for the manufacturer on the aircraft data plate.

Well, it's not court, and I'm sorry if words matter.

As I see it, it's *this*
that leads to *this*

And the AWC is what defines the Builder/Make/SN for all time. The *Registration* now has to match this, as does the dataplate, for Builder/Make/Manufacturer, Model, and SN.

So everyone keeps talking about "applying for Registration", but I believe that it's the application *for the AWC* and the subsequent issue of that which defines the Builder for the rest of all the paperwork, including any Application for Registration, Registration itself, BOS, whatever.

(But the *registered owner* on the Registration may bear no relationship to Builder at all).

I have no idea what the limitations are on "Builder" names, but I suspect they're pretty slim...given that I've seen names of groups, multiple builder names, LLCs, I think I've seen corporations, basically anything seems to go. Point is...you don't HAVE to use anything, least of all your name, as far as I can tell.

 

[Ironflight]

Well, it's not court, and I'm sorry if words matter.

As I see it, it's *this* View attachment 121395
that leads to *this* View attachment 121398

And the AWC is what defines the Builder/Make/SN for all time. The *Registration* now has to match this, as does the dataplate, for Builder/Make/Manufacturer, Model, and SN.

So everyone keeps talking about "applying for Registration", but I believe that it's the application *for the AWC* and the subsequent issue of that which defines the Builder for the rest of all the paperwork, including any Application for Registration, Registration itself, BOS, whatever.

(But the *registered owner* on the Registration may bear no relationship to Builder at all).

I have no idea what the limitations are on "Builder" names, but I suspect they're pretty slim...given that I've seen names of groups, multiple builder names, LLCs, I think I've seen corporations, basically anything seems to go. Point is...you don't HAVE to use anything, least of all your name, as far as I can tell.

Sorry Joe, but there are a couple of things wrong with your assertions:

1) The Registration comes BEFORE you apply for an Airworthiness Certificate, so when you apply for the AWC, the information for the aircraft is already set in stone as far as the FAA is concerned.
2) No one actually fills out the paper 8130-6 anymore - that is done for the applicant by the “AWC App” (online) now.

But as Scott and Mel have said, the data plate must match whatever the Registration card says in terms of “builder”. If the Registration says “Mickey Mouse”, the data plate must say that (no matter how the registration got to the point where it says that). So you can argue it as long as you want, for the average builder, do NOT engrave your data plate until you have the Registration card in your hand.

And I agree that once an airplane is sold, there will most likely be no match (on the current Registration card) between the “Manufacturer” and the entity in the “Issued to” block.

 

[Dugaru]

what ever is listed in the manufacturer block of your registration card has to be EXACTLY the same as what is engraved for the manufacturer on the aircraft data plate.

WHY there is zero leeway on this issue is a point worth pondering. Reminded me of….