Geico266

Geico266

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Anyone else notice the TFR that covers 3/4 of North America? On my XM Weather this AM there is a military TFR covering the midwest from 3400 MSL to 18,000 MSL.

Either we are going to war with Canada and Mexico, or someone hit the wrong button?

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Someone else fire up their XM weather and see what you get.
 
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1000 instead of 10?

It kinda looks like the person that entered the data typed 1000 mile radius instead of 10mile radius around something?

Its the reverse of when I go to the ATM and punch in $200 but it thinks I asked for $2.00 because they expect you to enter the cents even though it only dispenses $10 and $20 bills. ;)

It will be fun to hear whats really going on
 
Looks like Mayor Daley finally hacked his way into the TFR system! :eek:
 
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Uh oh... I was out tooling around this morning in a spam can at 4k msl. Guess I should file a NASA form :D
 
I called XM and I was told I would have to wait and call back on Monday. :cool:

Kinda makes you wonder how reliable XM information is.
 
Me Too!

got the same TFR here in Denver this morning. I was up playing around and checked the Garmin for the floor of the Class B ring I was about to enter and all I could get was this TFR from 3400msl to 18000msl. I figured it was bogus since it stated 3400msl and our field is 5512msl. No 16's or shinooks either.
 
Looks like I busted it too. I was flying for about 2 hours today around Rockford as high as 6500 feet and noticed some diagonal lines on the map but I thought it was just the display showing cloud cover.

Must be a mistake.
 
If this thing can have a TFR that is so obviously wrong, it could easily have ones that are too small, or in the wrong place, or at the wrong time, etc.

This debacle drives home the point that we should use official published data when looking for TFRs, and not count on any other source as being correct. TFR data from any other source should be looked at as for entertainment only, no matter how pretty it might look on the map.
 
Kevin Horton said:
If this thing can have a TFR that is so obviously wrong, it could easily have ones that are too small, or in the wrong place, or at the wrong time, etc.

This debacle drives home the point that we should use official published data when looking for TFRs, and not count on any other source as being correct. TFR data from any other source should be looked at as for entertainment only, no matter how pretty it might look on the map.
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I gotta agree Kevin. Even after I called XM and reported it there is nothing they can do until Monday morning? 48 hours with a bogus TFR? Heads should roll.
 
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TFR data from any other source should be looked at as for entertainment only, no matter how pretty it might look on the map.
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I get your point, Kevin, but I've gotta disagree with it somewhat.

For example, if you are out flying all day on a long cross country, it's quite possible that a TFR can pop up at a moment's notice for any number of reasons -- an unscheduled VIP trip, law enforcement activity, firefighting, etc. So it does help keep you out of hot water in that respect.

Also, if I've had a proper FSS briefing and I launch and see a TFR on my route that the FSS specialist didn't mention, I'm not going to just discount it as being for entertainment purposes -- I'm going to call up FSS on the radio and see what's up.
 
Flight Service, What is That?

Most of the time I cannot raise FS. Just for kicks I tried the other day at 12 thousand feet, couple different freqs, no dice. Gotta love living in the sticks.

Hans
 
Kevin makes a good point

Kevin's comment on the use of 'non-official' sources is a good one (I suspect he really didn't mean 'entertainment' as such). Last year, I flew a lot in the NYC area and noticed our certified GPS/ MFD was showing Teterboro and Essex County airspace overlapping whereas my trusty Sectional Chart did not.

I had previously noted some discrepancies in the size of some other depicted airspace, mostly Class D. The NY question prompted me to call the maker and talk with them. The answer I got was the inputs on the database are sometimes fixed diameters, not necessarily the actual size. The database provided also said that various GPS/ MFD companies will input 'stock' sizes, particulary for the smaller airports, like Class D.

I always carry a Sectional or TAF chart for the area I'm in - with the diameters of round airspace marked on the chart (The GPS distance from the airports are always correct, but the depicted size may not be).

Trust your Mother and Vans, no one else :D
 
a TFR can pop up at a moment's notice for any number of reasons -- an unscheduled VIP trip, law enforcement activity, firefighting, etc. So it does help keep you out of hot water in that respect.
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If memory serves me correctly XM will not show TFRs that come into existence after 6AM Saturday through 6 AM Monday.
 
Saw this today...

on the way home from Page, AZ. I had the same thought, we must be going to war.... It said it would be active June 19th. Someone somewhere made a slight error.
 
Same Here

I went flying for a quick fix yesterday (Sunday, central Kansas) and I could not figure out what this was on my 496. I brought my Garmin manual from the plane so I could look it up and understand,, I thought it might be a thunderstorm alert area or weather advisory and was going to go on the web and find more detail on weather details on the 496,,, All I had to do is check our great forum and posts.
Thanks guys.
Kenny Gene
7A 341 hrs
 
Double check you work XM

I had the same TFR on my 396 this weekend flying in the midwest. I had checked for TFR's before departing and this showed nothing, also I called Indy Center to double check and they verified this for me. I did stumble thru the menu inflight trying to turn off the TFR feature to declutter my map. There was weather in the area that was much more important than this crazy yellow tfr. It never hurts to call somebody and double check that you are not going to fly thru one of these. FSS if you can reach them, Flightwatch, Center, Approach are all good people to call inflight when in doubt. And they are usally very willing to help!
 
As I understand it, the TFR data we all get through our XM subscriptions is manually keyed in by somebody who works in the basement at the FAA. Whoever it is, he only works banker's hours, so if he has a bad day on Friday it might not get corrected till the next week. That's why if you look in the manual for your GPS, you should see a disclaimer to this effect (it's not the fault of your GPS manufacturer, since they only display the data they're receiving from space). For my part, I always check with the FSS or DUATS before I go on a trip.

fly safe,
mcb
 
when it turns red........ your dead.... nasa time!!!!!!

a yellow TFR is not active till it turns RED then you better get out your nasa forms or hit the after burners. good luck.
 
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