flyenforfun

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Wanted to see if anyone could tell me what happens in a heavy wing.

For example, I flight straight and level, stick is centered, ailerons are centered.. i let go of the stick, the ailerons deflect, and the plane rolls left. Is this a heavy wing?
 
Does sound like a heavy wing (not uncommon). The cause is usually not mysterious and has to do with the shape of the trailing edges of your particular ailerons. Search this site and Van's RViator files for the fix; it's easy, just go slow and test as you go.
 
Matt,
This is from Van's Aircraft:

"HOW TO DIAGNOSE AND FIX A HEAVY WING!
If there is one question that requires a lot of time answering at Van's it is the " I just did my
first flight and a wing is heavy, what do I do?" question. It usually is followed by the
corollary "which aileron am I supposed to squash?"
There turns out to be a bit of reasoning involved in the answer. It is simple and yet it is not
obvious to the pilot who has just spent 2-4 years of all of his spare time and energy to
complete and fly his brand new airplane. He thinks he built it PERFECT and is dismayed
that something is wrong.
First and foremost, DON'T DO ANYTHING for the first few hours of flight. If the aircraft is
flyable, then fly it. There are factors that may not have been thought about quite yet on the
first hour of flight. For the wings to be neutral (no wing heaviness) the fuel quantifies must
be equal in both tanks and for side by side aircraft where the pilot sits on the left side a
weight would need to be in the right seat. All gear leg fairings, intersection fairings and
wheel pants must be in place.
Now, after the plane has been flown a while (10+ hours) and the pilot has determined that
a wing heaviness exists, then it is time to try and see what is wrong. The first step to fix
the problem is to quantify it. It is easy and is worth the effort. Fill both fuel tanks, then
takeoff using the HEAVY wing tank and climb to a cruise altitude of 8-9000 feet. Use a
power setting of at least 75% or wide open, whichever comes first, and fly on that tank fill
the wing no longer feels heavy. At this point, the weight differential of the two tanks equals
the heaviness. Land and fill the tank, multiply the gallons by 6 lbs/gal and you have a
starting number. If the heaviness is less than 18 lbs, then it is a minor condition. You
would bum off that much fuel on a long climb to altitude for a trip and it may not warrant
fixing.
Listed below is a sequence that may solve problems of heavier situations:
1. Check the rigging of the entire airframe.
Set longerons in the flying level condition.
Recheck the angle of incidence of the wings.
Recheck the vertical stabilizer. Is it up the middle of the airframe? Is it twisted
somehow?
Use the wing template to cross check the aileron and flap alignment.
If any of the above are wrong, FIX 'EM.
2. Is the "BALL" out in level cruise flight (75% power)? It is the first thing to fix!
If so, fit a trim tab to the rudder. Start with a big one and trim it down until the ball is
centered at cruise speeds.
3. Now back to the ailerons! Of all of the wing heavy problems the commonest one
that can easily be identified and fixed is poor aileron symmetry. In flight, the aileron
surfaces are exposed to some fairly high speed airflow. If during the installation of the
ailerons, one aileron is installed with its spar in a different vertical location with respect to
the rear spar of the wing than the other aileron, then you will have a problem. Since the
ailerons are interconnected by the push tubes and control column, they must reach
equilibrium during flight. If the deflection forces produced by the airflow are not identical
then the ailerons will automatically move to a position where these forces are equalized.
Obviously if the equilibrium position produces an aileron deflection, then the plane will
want to roll. The more the deflection, the heavier the wing roll tendency. The fix for a
problem of this nature is easy.
Recheck the centerline of the tooling holes of the main wing ribs and the aileron ribs to be
sure they are above the bearing pivot holes in the aileron attach brackets (per plans). This
displacement should be checked on both inboard and outboard ends of the ailerons for
both wings while the ailerons are set in trail with the wing template. The absolute
dimension is not as critical as is the fact that both ends of each aileron and both ailerons
be the same. If they are off by as little as 1/8" anywhere relative to each other, then it
must be fixed. The fix is to simply purchase new A-406 BLANK or A-407 BLANK aileron
attach brackets and drill displaced attaching holes in them to correct the asymmetry. (RV-
9/9A and RV-10 builders will find the parts oversize but useable with trimming). Slotting
the attach holes in the original attach brackets for test purposes is fine but the final hole
position should be transferred to new brackets for permanent installation.
Now go fly it again.
Several slight adjustments may be needed so have patience.
For all planes except RV-9/9A and RV-10 there is an additional correction that can be
done: If there remains a wing heavy condition in excess of the 3 gallon (18 lb) one
mentioned above, then the next step is to adjust the trailing edge radius of one of the
ailerons. Reduce the trailing edge radius of the LIGHT wing. This procedure should be
approached carefully as it can have a significant impact. Squeeze it a little and then go fly
it. DON'T try to fix it all at once.
The final solution for all models, if all else fails, is to simply add a trim tab. All of the
construction manuals for the aircraft detail a wedge type trim tab that does not affect
appearances too much."
 
Thanks for that, and I have read that before, but it looks like this wording is what I was looking for..
"Of all of the wing heavy problems the commonest one
that can easily be identified and fixed is poor aileron symmetry. In flight, the aileron
surfaces are exposed to some fairly high speed airflow. If during the installation of the
ailerons, one aileron is installed with its spar in a different vertical location with respect to
the rear spar of the wing than the other aileron, then you will have a problem. Since the
ailerons are interconnected by the push tubes and control column, they must reach
equilibrium during flight. If the deflection forces produced by the airflow are not identical
then the ailerons will automatically move to a position where these forces are equalized."

I just wanted to be sure it was a heavy wing before I started fixing it. Thanks.
 
If your airplane is a quick build kit from around 2005-2006 the first place I would check is the left aileron outer hinge. My airplane and so far 6 others that were made in that time period had the aileron sitting up about 3/16 at the outer end of the spar. This causes a pretty heavy wing. Follow Van's instructions for fixing it. Don
 
If your airplane is a quick build kit from around 2005-2006 the first place I would check is the left aileron outer hinge. My airplane and so far 6 others that were made in that time period had the aileron sitting up about 3/16 at the outer end of the spar. This causes a pretty heavy wing. Follow Van's instructions for fixing it. Don

Not a quick build so i cant blame anyone!
 
Another wing heavy question: I got to fly my new RV-6 on a couple long X-C's this weekend, and noticed that I've got a slight bit of a heavy left wing but only really noticeable at cruise speeds and altitudes (e.g. 160-180 mph & 7500-8500 MSL), but at low airspeeds (120-140mph) putt-putting around down low it seems to be just fine.

Even after burning fuel from the left tank for quite a while to make sure I'm just not experiencing well-fed pilot + fuel tank imbalance issues, I noticed that with the ailerons centered and their trailing edges lined up as close as possible to being perfectly even with both wingtip trailing edges at the same time (ball is centered, of course... and the airplane wanting to bank a little to the left this way), that my left flap trailing edge is perfectly even with the end of the left aileron, but the right side flap's trailing edge is drooping down about one quarter to maybe three-eights of an inch below the right aileron's trailing edge. Is this possibly causing my issue? If I let got of the stick, then the aircraft definitely wants to go left... classic heavy wing syndrome. I know from my Cherokee flying days, that adjusting one flap down a bit was a common fix for a heavy wing on that side for the PA-28's... at the expense of adding drag.

My heavy left wing is not really too bad at all, just a little annoying. Do y'all think that raising my right flap up just a wee bit might help alleviate my slight heavy left wing issue at cruise speeds, especially since it is visibly lower a little bit. I haven't measured the rigging with any protractor/level instruments yet.
 
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Another wing heavy question: I got to fly my new RV-6 on a couple long X-C's this weekend, and noticed that I've got a slight bit of a heavy left wing but only really noticeable at cruise speeds and altitudes (e.g. 160-180 mph & 7500-8500 MSL), but at low airspeeds (120-140mph) putt-putting around down low it seems to be just fine.

It is likely that the torque effect from the engine at the higher power cruise setting is contributing to the heavy left wing IMHO.

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It is likely that the torque effect from the engine at the higher power cruise setting is contributing to the heavy left wing IMHO.

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I talked to Joe Blank at Van's yesterday. I explained what was happening, that when I hold the stick straight up and down everything is in trail, ball is centered, and the plane flies straight and level. When I let go of the stick, the stick moves left, the ailerons deflect, and the plane rolls. I told him I checked everything as best I could like rigging, aileron height, etc. He said that all sounds about right and the most likely cause is simply aileron symmetry. Our trailing edges of our ailerons arent exactly the same. He said just put pressure on the trailing edge of the light wing with your fingers and go fly. Do that a little more each time until she flies straight. It was good to hear this, because I've read that method everywhere, but I wanted to make sure I've done everything else before I move to that. It is amazing that such a small difference makes that big of a difference in flight. Waiting for good winds here to go fly again and work out the kinks.