RAY DIESEL

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I have recently completed and flow my rv-6a approx 20 hours so far and have had no issues at all except one. my co pilot wing is heavy and becomes heavier as speed increases. I can run the co-pilot tank to almost empty and the problem does not get any better or worse. Can i adjust the pilot side aileron up slightly to solve this problem. Again, the plane flies wonderful with no yaw at all.
 
Adjusting the aileron will do nothing to correct this.
The way to fix it is to tighten the trailing edge radius on the port aileron. This will cause the port aileron to "fly" higher, thereby lifting the starboard wing.
Do a search. There is lots of info on this topic.
 
From Vans

From Vans

HOW TO DIAGNOSE AND FIX A HEAVY WING!
If there is one question that requires a lot of time answering at Van's it is the " I just did my
first flight and a wing is heavy, what do I do?" question. It usually is followed by the
corollary "which aileron am I supposed to squash?"
There turns out to be a bit of reasoning involved in the answer. It is simple and yet it is not
obvious to the pilot who has just spent 2-4 years of all of his spare time and energy to
complete and fly his brand new airplane. He thinks he built it PERFECT and is dismayed
that something is wrong.
First and foremost, DON'T DO ANYTHING for the first few hours of flight. If the aircraft is
flyable, then fly it. There are factors that may not have been thought about quite yet on the
first hour of flight. For the wings to be neutral (no wing heaviness) the fuel quantifies must
be equal in both tanks and for side by side aircraft where the pilot sits on the left side a
weight would need to be in the right seat. All gear leg fairings, intersection fairings and
wheel pants must be in place.
Now, after the plane has been flown a while (10+ hours) and the pilot has determined that
a wing heaviness exists, then it is time to try and see what is wrong. The first step to fix
the problem is to quantify it. It is easy and is worth the effort. Fill both fuel tanks, then
takeoff using the HEAVY wing tank and climb to a cruise altitude of 8-9000 feet. Use a
power setting of at least 75% or wide open, whichever comes first, and fly on that tank fill
the wing no longer feels heavy. At this point, the weight differential of the two tanks equals
the heaviness. Land and fill the tank, multiply the gallons by 6 lbs/gal and you have a
starting number. If the heaviness is less than 18 lbs, then it is a minor condition. You
would bum off that much fuel on a long climb to altitude for a trip and it may not warrant
fixing.
Listed below is a sequence that may solve problems of heavier situations:
1. Check the rigging of the entire airframe. Set longerons in the flying level condition.
Recheck the angle of incidence of the wings. Recheck the vertical stabilizer. Is it up the middle of the airframe? Is it twisted somehow?
Use the wing template to cross check the aileron and flap alignment. If any of the above are wrong, FIX 'EM.
2. Is the "BALL" out in level cruise flight (75% power)? It is the first thing to fix!
If so, fit a trim tab to the rudder. Start with a big one and trim it down until the ball is
centered at cruise speeds.
3. Now back to the ailerons! Of all of the wing heavy problems the commonest one
that can easily be identified and fixed is poor aileron symmetry. In flight, the aileron
surfaces are exposed to some fairly high speed airflow. If during the installation of the
ailerons, one aileron is installed with its spar in a different vertical location with respect to
the rear spar of the wing than the other aileron, then you will have a problem. Since the
ailerons are interconnected by the push tubes and control column, they must reach
equilibrium during flight. If the deflection forces produced by the airflow are not identical
then the ailerons will automatically move to a position where these forces are equalized.
Obviously if the equilibrium position produces an aileron deflection, then the plane will
want to roll. The more the deflection, the heavier the wing roll tendency. The fix for a
problem of this nature is easy.
Recheck the centerline of the tooling holes of the main wing ribs and the aileron ribs to be
sure they are above the bearing pivot holes in the aileron attach brackets (per plans). This
displacement should be checked on both inboard and outboard ends of the ailerons for
both wings while the ailerons are set in trail with the wing template. The absolute
dimension is not as critical as is the fact that both ends of each aileron and both ailerons
be the same. If they are off by as little as 1/8" anywhere relative to each other, then it
must be fixed. The fix is to simply purchase new A-406 BLANK or A-407 BLANK aileron
attach brackets and drill displaced attaching holes in them to correct the asymmetry. (RV-
9/9A and RV-10 builders will find the parts oversize but useable with trimming). Slotting
the attach holes in the original attach brackets for test purposes is fine but the final hole
position should be transferred to new brackets for permanent installation.
Now go fly it again.
Several slight adjustments may be needed so have patience.
For all planes except RV-9/9A and RV-10 there is an additional correction that can be
done: If there remains a wing heavy condition in excess of the 3 gallon (18 lb) one
mentioned above, then the next step is to adjust the trailing edge radius of one of the
ailerons. Reduce the trailing edge radius of the LIGHT wing. This procedure should be
approached carefully as it can have a significant impact. Squeeze it a little and then go fly
it. DON'T try to fix it all at once.
The final solution for all models, if all else fails, is to simply add a trim tab. All of the
construction manuals for the aircraft detail a wedge type trim tab that does not affect
appearances too much.
 
This is one of the rare times I disagree (slightly) with Mel. It sounds to me like there's a rigging problem - maybe a slightly twisted wing. Following Van's procedure above, you will start with checking the rig and then proceed to the trailing edge trick. I do agree that starting with adjusting the aileron to compensate is the wrong way to go.
 
Hi Ray, I think that in your case it would be worthwhile to follow Vans recommendations and attempt to isolate and rectify the CAUSE of the problem rather than entertain "'squeezing an aileron" which will only treat the symptoms of the problem and leave you with a draggy (read slower) aircraft.

In addition to the good suggestions made by others I would also check to ensure that your wingtips are installed in neutral trail as per the Builder's Manual instructions (ie. in perfect alignment with the ailerons when the ailerons are in neutral trail as defined by the press forming holes in the outer wing rib). Many builders believe that the wingtips can ONLY be installed in one position and that position must therefore be correct....NOT SO. In reality the wing tip can be rotated significantly to increase or decrease its angle of incidence and still "fit".

If the wing tip is not in perfect neutral trail it will act as an aileron. Even the slightest deviation will produce significant lift (or loss of lift as the case may be) due to the fact that the wing tip is further from the fuselage than the aileron and therefore the cantilever is larger.
 
I had the same problem

On my 8A, it was right wing heavy. I slotted the right aileron brackets to lower the aileron. After moving the aileron down, it was wing heavy the other way. Easy enough to fix now, I thought I would just slowly move it up until it was where I needed. When I got close to getting rid of being wing heavy the other way, it developed a little bit of aileron snatch. When trying to trim the plane for hands off flying and letting go of the stick, it wouldn't stay neutral for long, then quickly deflect or jerk either right or left. It wouldn't go far, stick travel either left or right was less than an inch but the plane would start rolling promptly.

I thought that maybe I didn't have the aileron perfectly in trail with the wing and that was causing my condition, so I played with the aileron many times trying to fix my problem to no avail. I flew over to local RV guru Mike Seagar and told him about my condition to which he replied, thats no problem, I'll have you fixed up in 3 minutes. He came back from his hanger with hand seamers in hand and squeezed the trailing edge. He was totally right about 3 things. It fixed the aileron snatch, the roll controls were a little heavier, it was a completely different plane to fly. After that I was able to position the aileron to make the plane fly hands off.

Would squeezing the trailing edge from the get go, solved my problem. Maybe. But I learned a great deal about aerodynamics in this particular area in going through what I did, it was worth it. As a side note, the slotted aileron brackets were replaced when I found the position I needed.

Randy
8A
 
Possible radius difference...

My 6A initially had a heavy right wing. I have a servo controlled trim tab on the right wing (piano hinge type), that wouldn't totally correct the problem. Control forces were light, though.

I thought about temporarily attaching a wedge to the the left aileron to remedy the problem. Then I noticed that the trailing edge of the left aileron was slightly "fatter" in radius than the right aileron. I did a slight squeeze (left aileron) from the outboard end, around 18" long. With the 1st test flight, after the "squeeze", the balance is perfect. My trim tab now stays close to neutral for entire flights. Just a bit one way or the other to balance passenger & fuel.

L.Adamson --- RV6A