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Peterk

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Got mine today...took about an hour and a half at the FSDO. You must:
1. show up in person
2. Bring with you
a. Registration
b. Cert of Compliance from Vans
c. Airworthiness Pink Card from DAR
d. Statement from you in your aircraft logbook that you have flown off the hours, found no anomolies etc.
e. Your driver's license
f. Your Van's books
1. POH
2. Training Supplement
3. Maintenance book
g. Operating Limitations from DAR (with statement that includes when to do conditional.
h. Fill out (correctly) Form 8610-2
i. Your Graduation Cert from the school you attended
j. Proof that you were involved in the building (pics) no you don't have to be 51%.

At least if you add another plane or rating (like maintenance to go with inspection) they just become upgrades to your existing...you don't start over. And you do you get the same hologram card that you do with your pilot certificate.
 
Sounds like your FSDO is playing fast and loose with the regulation and policy on issuing these repairman certificates. There is NO requirement for an ELSA repairman certificate that the owner has had anything to do with the building of the aircraft. NO construction logs are required. NO completion of the flight test is required. NO requirement for a certificate of compliance from the aircraft manufacturer. NO requirement for a POH, let alone a training supplement.

EAA is an approved source for ELSA repairman inspection training. Here is what our approved course guidance says about what the applicant needs to bring to the FSDO:

a. Photo ID, such as valid U.S. issued driver?s license or passport.
b. Completed FAA Form 8610-2.
c. Original copy of Certificate of Completion from the 16 course.
d. Copy of your E-LSA aircraft registration certificate FAA form 8050-3.
e. Copy of your E-LSA airworthiness certificate FAA form 8130-7.
f. Copy of your E-LSA operating limitations.

THAT'S IT! You should not be required to have anything beyond these items.

I'm happy that you got your certificate. I'm just posting this as info for other applicants in the future.
 
True

Thanks Joe. I offered to call the EAA while I was there. I kinda knew what to expect. When I called for the appointment, I was told to bring everything. I had everything and got what I needed so I can't really complain. They were very complimentary about the quality of the ELSA Repairman Workshops. It was not an antagonistic get-together...in fact everyone was quite pleasant...just took awhile longer than I expected.
 
Peterk said:
They were very complimentary about the quality of the ELSA Repairman Workshops. It was not an antagonistic get-together...in fact everyone was quite pleasant...just took awhile longer than I expected.
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Sounds good. All's well that ends well! Glad to hear that everything worked out.
 
My experience - TODAY

Had a 10 AM appointment today at my Des Moines FSDO. I checked in advance and he told me all I needed was 2 things. 1. ID. 2. Class certificate. I took a bunch of stuff with me because of the info above. When I got there, he asked for these 2 things. I also had to fill out the ONE form, WITH him helping, and that was it. 1/2 hour exact. Went very well. Not sure why there is such difference between FSDO's.

John Bender
 
jnorris said:
Here is what our approved course guidance says about what the applicant needs to bring to the FSDO:

a. Photo ID, such as valid U.S. issued driver?s license or passport.
b. Completed FAA Form 8610-2.
c. Original copy of Certificate of Completion from the 16 course.
d. Copy of your E-LSA aircraft registration certificate FAA form 8050-3.
e. Copy of your E-LSA airworthiness certificate FAA form 8130-7.
f. Copy of your E-LSA operating limitations.
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Joe,

is there a requirement on the time when you graduated from that approved course? I'm just asking as I am considering to take the course BEFORE registering my RV-12 and I don't want to have to worry about the course certificate expiring before being able to finish the build and get the -12 registered.
 
No expiration

I am a different Joe, so my opinion is not official, but here is the way that I did it.
2009-06-29 completed 16-Hour Repairman Inspection Airplane course
2010-06-15 Received Certificate of Aircraft Registration from FAA
2010-11-11 DAR Issued Airworthiness Certificate
2010-12-23 Applied for Repairman Light Sport Aircraft certificate and received temporary certificate same day pending issuance of permanent certificate.
About a year and a half elapsed between taking the course and applying for Repairman's Certificate. I do not believe the 16-hour course completion certificate ever expires, just like my high school diploma never expires, even though I have forgotten most of what I learned. :D
Joe
 
It does expire!

You take a written test which like all FAA writtens expires 24 months later.
 
Can't find a FAR...

Jetguy, JBPILOT,

I'm trying to find a FAR or FAA Instruction on the matter. Did you happen to get a reference on where the expiration for the EAA (16 hour) class comes from?

I've looked at FAR 65.107, Order 8000.84A, Order 8900.1 Vol. 5 Sect. 6 Certificate Repairman for Light-Sport
Aircraft Under 14 CFR ? 65.107, and even EAA SportAir Workshop - Repairman (LSA) Inspection - Airplane info
packet and didn't see anything like an expiration date or "within 24 calendar months" when I was reading through.
I tried calling my local FSDO, but that didn't get me anywhere except for a "Can we call you back?"
 
Till the end of time!

I took my course last Feb in Orlando. Good excuse to go to FLA in the wintertime! This thread got me to wondering as well, so I emailed EAA asking: "does the certificate earned at the course, that I must present with my airworthiness documentation to the local FSDO to get my Repairman's Certificate approved by the FAA, ever expire?".

Their response:

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Hi Randy



Thanks for your note.


No, the certificate never expires, and there is currently no requirement for currency training.

Hope that helps!


Best Regards,



Mark



Mark Forss

Director, EAA SportAir Workshops

EAA-The Spirit of Aviation

PO Box 3086 Oshkosh, WI 54903-3086

Phone: 920.426.6588 Fax: 920.426.6579
 
Looking back now - -

I think I was referencing that you had 2 years from the time of the TEST to apply for your actual certificate.

Make sense ?

John Bender
 
That is correct...test completion to application...same as most aviation written exams for any certificate application...24 months.
 
John, Peter - I don't think there's a time limit - at least not according to who I talked to at EAA. I wanted to take the course early in the build to learn a few things about technique and standards. But I really didn't want to have to re-take it later just to 'be current' to apply for the Repairman's Cert. (and buy airfare, hotel, rental car again...)

Because I was only a month into my RV-12 project last Feb when I took the Repairman's course I called EAA Sportair Workshops to ask if there was an time limit to applying to the FAA for the Repariman's Cert. after passing the course. They told me there was not. So this morning went back to the EAA this to double-triple clarify. My question to Mark Forss at EAA was:

"...so the policy is, once a person completes and passes the Repairman's Class, he can then apply for the FAA ELSA Repairman's Certificate (with proof that he passed the course) at any time in the future, correct?"

His answer was:

"Your statement is correct."

But John, you say the EAA in OSH told you there is a time limit. Hmmm....

Mel???
 
rampilot said:
I don't think there's a time limit - at least not according to who I talked to at EAA.
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I took the course when I had a chance to do the trip in an RV-12 with me in the right seat (thanks again, Denny!) and I checked explicitly about that issue of expiration beforehand. I knew it would be too early for me to know when I might be finished and when my -12 would be registered with the FAA.
As the Repairman certificate can not be applied for without owning an eligible registered ELSA, and the course focuses on paperwork procedure and regulations, not on the technical aspects, I wouldn't see a need for an expiration on the actual course certificate. I did not check with the FAA but everybody from the EAA I spoke to about this said the course certificate would be good for life.
 
Sacramento FSDO

I completed the Repairman Course last weekend and called the Sacramento FSDO on Tuesday. When I called, the receptionist transfered me to the duty officer, who by coincidence was the inspector who inspected my 12. He asked me when I wanted to come in, and we set up an appointment on Thursday. He confirmed that all I needed were the items listed by EAA. The only difference from what others have said is that he had me create an account with IACRA, the FAA certification section. I filled out the 8610-2 on line and saved it. When I went to the FSDO they opened my saved form, and completed their part. I was given a signed copy of the completed form and was on my way less that 30 minutes. The process could not have been easier.
 
Mark Henderson said:
I completed the Repairman Course last weekend and called the Sacramento FSDO on Tuesday. When I called, the receptionist transfered me to the duty officer, who by coincidence was the inspector who inspected my 12. He asked me when I wanted to come in, and we set up an appointment on Thursday. He confirmed that all I needed were the items listed by EAA. The only difference from what others have said is that he had me create an account with IACRA, the FAA certification section. I filled out the 8610-2 on line and saved it. When I went to the FSDO they opened my saved form, and completed their part. I was given a signed copy of the completed form and was on my way less that 30 minutes. The process could not have been easier.
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I attended the same class. I highly recommend it and the instructor, Jim Scott. When my -12 is done, off to the Van Nuys FSDO i go.
 
As the Repairman certificate can not be applied for without owning an eligible registered ELSA, and the course focuses on paperwork procedure and regulations, not on the technical aspects, I wouldn't see a need for an expiration on the actual course certificate. I did not check with the FAA but everybody from the EAA I spoke to about this said the course certificate would be good for life.
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I sent an email to the EAA asking about the expiration of 16 hour E-LSA course. Below is their reply.
Joe Gores
Joe,
Thank you for the e-mail. The certificate of Completion you received does not expire. It is good for an indefinite period of time. You can use it at anytime in the future to apply for a repairman certificate for an experimental light sport aircraft you own.
I hope this helps!
Regards,
Timm
Timm Bogenhagen, EAA #379292
Senior Aviation Specialist
EAA-The Spirit of Aviation
Phone: 920.426.6831
Fax: 920.426.4873
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