Flyguytki

Flyguytki

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Oh heres a rookie question but one I haven't had to deal with yet. I am about to order a FWF kit but need to delete some items, How do you physically delete the items when placing your order with vans? Does it have to be done over the phone or is it as simple as annotating the deleted items in the Notes section and then getting reimbursed for those said items?

I would call vans but it makes things challenging when your 12 hours ahead.

-david
 
Flyguytki said:
Oh heres a rookie question but one I haven't had to deal with yet. I am about to order a FWF kit but need to delete some items, How do you physically delete the items when placing your order with vans? Does it have to be done over the phone or is it as simple as annotating the deleted items in the Notes section and then getting reimbursed for those said items?

I would call vans but it makes things challenging when your 12 hours ahead.

-david
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Either way... Van's likes order info in writing, detail your list of deletions, email it in via scan or fax it and ask for a call back for the total dollar amount of the revised order. They will want the 25% deposit for sure. :)
 
LifeofReiley said:
Either way... Van's likes order info in writing, detail your list of deletions, email it in via scan or fax it and ask for a call back for the total dollar amount of the revised order. They will want the 25% deposit for sure. :)
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Does this go for FWF Kits as well since they don't have a designated Order Form?

-david
 
Yes, VANS has been very good (in my experience) about tailoring a kit order to exactly what you want. You can either post a list of exactly which components you want, or start with a pre-listed kit and delete/add items to suit your build. Just notate them in the notes section, they will adjust the parts list and price accordingly. I've tested their patience quite a bit already with some of the modifications on my bird, and they have met the challenge every time.
 
Vans is used to custom order lists ....

I did exactly that with the finish kit. I called them on the phone, we walked thru the entire order (with a TON of deletions), and then they emailed me the modified list for my confirmation before triggering the order. No trouble at all.
 
eMail is probably the best way to finalise exactly what stays in and what is removed - Vans will send a "packing list" of the kit. The initial order of course standard paperwork order form(s) & deposit.

With the standard kits (maybe not FF?) you will not be credited the value of the item, but only ~75% of it - fair enough since the kit price is at a discount to the sum of its parts. However, it can then be worth scanning the deletions and seeing if you just might ever need that part, since you are getting it at a price you will not be able to get in future ;)
 
I just did this with both finish and fwf

Actually, started the process about a month ago to get the kits before the price increase.

I was told that my deletions to the finish kit were so significant (cowl, canopy, fairings) that they made it no longer a kit, just a parts order. So I ended up paying current non-kit price for what I did get there - wheels/brakes, motor mount, associated hw. Rather than a reduction from the bundle, it was just a total of the parts I did buy.

The fwf is apparently not a kit to begin with, just a bunch of parts, but my exclusions there ended up being 100% reductions in the parts costs for everything I took out.

To do all this, I asked for the pick lists for each bundle and returned those lists with X's on the lines I didn't want. Van's was very helpful and turned things around quickly based on the written request details.
 
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David, I just placed and inventoried my FWF kit.

I have the Excel spreadsheet on this PC with all the items listed for a -7 IO360-M1B on my hard disk right now.

It itemizes my deletions and if you send me an email I can forward it to you with the reasons I deleted them from the kit.

I have an ECi engine so the FWF kit for the M1B IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT!

Shoot me an email and I would be glad to sent the file to you!

:) CJ
 
Thanks for the Offer Captain John, I actually already have the parts list for the M1B that Vans sent me a few weeks back, what I ended up doing today was annotating the items on the spreadsheet that i wanted to keep and the ones I wanted deleted and then added a few extra things for them to add to the order and sent the whole spreadsheet to them. We will see what the outcome is, hopefully it is acceptable to vans and they can work with it and make an invoice for me. I am purchasing a Superior IO-360 Next week while im home on R&R (crazy to say R&R is next week!) so hopefully everything is a drop in fit from the M1B FWF Kit, minus the Constant speed items of course.

-david
 
For starters, delete your exhaust. Vetterman M1B's DO NOT fit the clones.

If Bart does anything like Mattituck, you can delete the fuel line that comes from the firewall to the servo. I got one from Mattituck with my engine.

If you are going with any one of the modern EFIS'... delete the MAP kit from Van. It is only for their round gauge.

Hmmmm, that is the first three that come to mind...

:) CJ
 
Exhaust Deleted, I'm going with an AWI 4 into 1, the MAP kit is no longer included, or at least I dident see it on my list, and for the fuel lines, now im worried, I have been doing alot of research and everyone who goes with Superior have been saying all the FWF Lines supplied with the kit fit well, I think im going to take the chance and see how they fit and if not I'll at least get some 75% back from vans. Heres my 2 lists :

Items to Keep :
Quantity Item Number Item Description Price
1 FF-7/7A IO-360M1B CS Firewall Forward Kit $5,350.00



1 FAB-HORIZ-INDUCTION-1 IO-360 180/200 HP Horizontal Induction Kit $325.00
1 IO-360 THROTTLE/MIX Cable Attache Kit FWD $103.00
1 PLASTIC TIE WRAP 5.5'' Nylon Tie 70-0108 $0.08
1 VA-136 Fuel Line IO-360 23'' $98.25
1 VA-138 Fuel Supply Hose 14.0'' $63.30
1 BAF-360 IO-360 Baffle Kit $275.00
1 AT0-028X3/16X6 For F.Wall Kit $4.00
1 AT6-058X5/16X15 7/8 Alum Tube C-160 $6.00
2 SS304-26GAX1/2X9 Scat Clamp !!Sharp!! $3.68
1 FF 3/4 Firewall Plug SS Firewall Plug $1.00
1 ES PC680 INSTALL KIT Battery Mount RV-7 $50.00
1 EA LV-1 Heat Shield Exhaust Heat Shield $11.00
1 CT A-740 Black Push Pull Cable Black $36.00
1 Duct CBT-5/8 Cooling Blast Tube $3.95
1 EA CV Hose 9816 Breather hose 4 CYL $15.00
1 EA Dyna Bolt Engine Mount Bolt Set $32.00
4 EA DYNA VI-STD Lord Motor Mounts $500.00
1 EA Oil Cooler II O-320/360 Oil Cooler $254.00
1 ES 24021 Starter Soleniod 2 Out $21.00
1 ES 24115 Master Relay $20.00
1 ES Diode Master Master Relay Protection $11.00
1 ES Diode Starter Starter Relay Protection $11.00
1 ES Alternator Deluxe Plane Powers 60A Alternator $399.00
1 FF-705 Breather Tube $29.00
1 FF-709 Oil Cooler doubler $8.25
1 IE VMP INSTALL KIT Fitting/Hose $35.00
1 PT -035X1/4X12 Fuel Overflow Tube $2.20
1 VA-102 Fuel Pressure Hose 15.5 $15.50
1 VA-168 Sender mount $19.00
1 VA-133 Oil pressure Hose 27.25 $18.25
1 VA-134 Oil Cooler hose 19.0 $69.00
1 VA-135 Oil Cooler hose 16.5 $66.00
1 VENT DL-03 2'' Aluminum Flange $9.50
1 VENT SCAT 2X6' Scat Tubing 6 Feet $57.00
1 AS3-063X1 1/2X4 6A-8A (Inches) $2.65
1 AT0-035X3/8X24 Soft aluminum Tubing $5.85
1 EA LW-75444 Sniffle Valve $73.00
1 F AE102-11 Firesleeve per Foot $9.30
1 EA Hose H177 IO Sniffle hose per foot
1 BAG 626-1 FF MISC. HDWRE IO-360 $76.90
1 BAG 627-1 FF MISC. HDWRE IO-360 $69.50
1 BAG 628 FF MISC. HDWRE IO-360 $14.20
1 BAG 629 FF MISC. HDWRE IO-360 $12.10
1 AS3-063X1X12 Aluminum Strip $2.60
1 CT Bearing HWR. Prop Bolt NUT Washers $1.10
1 CT Bearing MW-3M Throttle Attachement Assembly $7.95
1 DOC FWF Complete Plans $20.00

Total $2,867.11


Items to Delete:


1 CT BLK Throttle 50.5 RV-7 (IO-360) Throttle Cable $63.50
1 CT Red Vmixture 50.5 7A (IO-360) Mixture Cable $78.00
1 PROP GOV MT P-860-4 IO-360 Prop Governer $1,200.00
1 VA-153-PC CS Governer Bracket $12.75
1 CT BLUE VPROP 48 Blue Prop Cable $75.50
1 EA EXH 7/7A IO-360M1B Vetterman Exhaust $1,075.00
1 VENT TG-10 Cabin Heat Selector $70.00

Total $2,574.75

Extra Added Items:

Quantity Item

1 AN257-P3X3' Hinges for seat back
2 F-6116 Rudder Pedal block
1 Canopy halfway stop
1 A-801-1PP-R Aileron Skin
1 A-705-L Aileron Rib
1 A-705-R Aileron Rib
4 A-710 Ail Stiff 4 Per Length
200 AN365-103 NUT STOP MS21044N3
200 Rivet CS4-4
6 AS3-032 .32 Aluminum sheet cut 2?X3?
50 8-32 K1000-8 Plate Nuts
1 Crotch Strap Kit
3 EYEBALL TTP-125
4 EA Gasket Valve CVR
1 Quick Oil Drain Plug, F P5000
1 VA-195C Access hatch doubler
1 VA-195D Access hatch
6 AS3-040 .40 Aluminum sheet cut 2?X3?


-david
 
MAP is in there

The Manifold Pressure kit is still included (VMP Install) and I recommend you get it. It has flew and fittings to get MAP to the firewall. I'm using Dynon and their sensor needs a 1/4" flex tube so the VMP from vans got it fromt he engine to Dynon's sensor.

Stay Safe!
 
Sounds good, looks like i will leave the VMP kit on there. Can anyone think of anything else that might need to be added to the order at this stage?

-david
 
I ordered a 7 fuselage subkit today(7 engine mount with gear...).
Subkit price was $1600.

If ordered individually, it would have cost ~$1750.
I eliminated the parts I didn't need & the price dropped to $1515.
I called in the order via phone. The sales dept communicated that it's always cheaper to buy the kit & remove items vs individual item list.

Great customer service.
 
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