kentb

kentb

Well Known Member
I did some xcountry this week end. Two hours each way. By the time I got to the airport I was in misery.
I had taken a plastic bottle (ex Nestle Chocolate milk container) with the idea of using it when needed. But at that time I soon realize that setting in the RV9A seat puts you in a awkward position for using it. The bottle would need to be almost horizontal.

Any suggestion for someone that currently is flying with short range tanks?:eek:

I looked at the Little John, but it looks like it would set on the edge of my seat, still very little angle down.

Kent
 
I use one of the thin plastic pee bottles that the hospital gives you when you go home from a visit. It has a snap lid on it and has enough down angle in the neck to keep from spilling. Regardless, it takes a little practice to use it.

It's **** getting old. I've found that the vibration of the airframe makes me go much more than I otherwise would.
 
Oh yah

f1rocket said:
I use one of the thin plastic pee bottles that the hospital gives you when you go home from a visit. It has a snap lid on it and has enough down angle in the neck to keep from spilling. Regardless, it takes a little practice to use it.

It's **** getting old. I've found that the vibration of the airframe makes me go much more than I otherwise would.
Click to expand...

That's it. I am not getting older, I just have to much vibration in my airframe.;)

The next time I go to the hospital I'll ask for some of those bottle. In the mean time does anyone know were I can buy some?

Kent
 
Thanks Doug, but.....

DeltaRomeo said:
Never seen or used one, but I remembered this link someone sent me years back.

http://www.stadiumpal.com/

Buyer beware :)
Click to expand...

Believe it or not my company restricts access to this site.
It claims that it is "Pornography, Tasteless/Gross".

Can't wait till I get home so that I can check it out.

Kent
Still flying, but at reduced range.
 
Looks like a shameless copy of the Urine Transfer and Collection System from the Apollo program. Can you say "external catheter" on a family site? :p
 
A local 79 yo retired fighter jock and RV7 owner/builder wears a flight suit over his BVDs in the RV. The zipper goes down quite a bit further than the one in your Levis. It makes things somewhat easier.
I used the surgery jug and the USAF piddle packs berfore but that was in planes with a control yoke.

Not yet had the opportunity with 46.4 hrs,
Steve
 
G-funnel Adaptor

Aircraftspruce has a handy dandy adaptor that fits a soda bottle.

G FUNNEL ADAPTER

The G-Funnel is a portable urinal adapter which simply screws on to any plastic pop or water bottle that will be uses as a container for those situation where a washroom facility is not available. The appeal to this adapter is that it can be attached and used together with any sized plastic pop or water bottle that most people have on hand. The plastic pop or water bottle is to be used as liquid container and then can liter be emptied for reuse or just thrown in the trash when available. We think you'll agree that this is a very useful relief device for those emergency situations


Description Part No. Price Buy
G - FUNNEL 13-01974 $6.95
 
Thanks again Doug, but...

DeltaRomeo said:
Try this, Kent. http://www.biorelief.com/

b,d
Click to expand...

"The site you requested is blocked under the following categories: Tasteless/Gross"

I am old enough that I should be allowed to look at Tasteless and Gross things.

We are making progress, at least is not pornographic.

I wonder what triggers the "SmartFilter" software?

I'll check it out when I get home.

Kent
 
I was looking at that one.

Webb said:
Aircraftspruce has a handy dandy adaptor that fits a soda bottle.

G FUNNEL ADAPTER

The G-Funnel is a portable urinal adapter which simply screws on to any plastic pop or water bottle that will be uses as a container for those situation where a washroom facility is not available. The appeal to this adapter is that it can be attached and used together with any sized plastic pop or water bottle that most people have on hand. The plastic pop or water bottle is to be used as liquid container and then can liter be emptied for reuse or just thrown in the trash when available. We think you'll agree that this is a very useful relief device for those emergency situations


Description Part No. Price Buy
G - FUNNEL 13-01974 $6.95
Click to expand...

Do you know if it could bend down so that the bottle would be below the business end of it?

Kent
 
I have not ideal

Don't know about the flexibility of the funnel part but soda and water bottles are soft sided and would bend.

My Dad gave me his old one from his pilot days and it looks like a quart jar with a horn on it that is sloped at about 30 degrees. It has a button on it to open or close a valve.

Don't know who manufactured but I'll look tonight. Don't know if it is still made but it is a godsend when planning a long trip.
 
"Travel John"

"Travel John" is the way to go. They can also be had from Sporties Pilot Shop

Procedure I use:
-Engage autopilot
-Latch canopy
-remove all safety belts
-Get on one knee hunched over facing copilot side
-drain tank

It helps to wear shorts with no underwear or just fly in your boxers.
 
Thanks Xavier

xavierm said:
These are great. Gel's right away and no smell.
http://www.traveljohn.com/
Click to expand...

From this site I found a lot of other sites with options that were not blocked here at work. Just click on "Shop Online" and it gives you a number of interesting sites.

One thing that I came across was ID Vinyl Tubing that was being sold for "main glider relief tube". Does that mean that glider pilots can dump overboard?

Kent
 
Relief tube?

:confused:A relief tube applies a bit of reduced pressure (ok, suction). The "assuming the proper position" problem could be eased with a flexible hose and funnel assembly. Has anyone installed a relief tube? Seems a logical solution except for belly cleanliness.
 
kentb said:
One thing that I came across was ID Vinyl Tubing that was being sold for "main glider relief tube". Does that mean that glider pilots can dump overboard?

Kent
Click to expand...

Excaptusmc said:
...Has anyone installed a relief tube? Seems a logical solution except for belly cleanliness.
Click to expand...
Relief tubes that vent directly overboard are commonly used in gliders. Experience has shown that it is very important that the urine remains clear of the airframe as it is highly corrosive. Some rudder fittings have just about disintegrated when the relief tube was too close to the fuselage in gliders.
 
Retractable

After an instrument panel splash incident I installed a relief system on my Mooney. I mounted a Bernoulli funnel on the main landing gear and ran surgical tubing up to the ... ah....cockpit where I had a surplus B-52 relief funnel with the spring valve. I had to slow down to gear speed to deploy but it worked like a charm with no mess, inside or out.
 
Steve, I am not sure that I can follow your directions.

Steve Brown said:
"Travel John" is the way to go. They can also be had from Sporties Pilot Shop

Procedure I use:
-Engage autopilot
-Latch canopy
-remove all safety belts
-Get on one knee hunched over facing copilot side
-drain tank

It helps to wear shorts with no underwear or just fly in your boxers.
Click to expand...

Could you make a video or have your passenger make it and post it?:D

I am not sure if you were being funny or not but I had to laugh.

Kent
 
Oh well, we tried <g>. All on the up and up....but I bet it's the repeated use of the word 'urine'.

b,
d
 
I'm sorry I can't resist on this one. You Lycoming guys are telling us that high vibration levels are making you pee more?;)

I'm thinking we better add that one to the negative side of the Certified vs. Alternative engine balance sheet.:rolleyes::) Certainly something that I never thought of.

My vote is for the Travel John too. Never used one but others have told me how well they work for guys and girls.
 
Last edited:
Are you man enough?

Are you man enough to fill it? If so, you're a better man than me.

dscf0003jd1.jpg


I also looked and there are no names or manufacturer markings. For all I know, when Dad worked at IBM, some of his engineering buddies built this thing when they were clowning around. The button opens a valve to the jar and is spring loaded. Hardware is stainless.

What I do know is it doesn't leak, holds more than you have to give, and is at least 30 years old.

If you don't find what you are looking for, you might be able to construct one out of PVC from the local hardware store.

Instructional photos available on request (LOL).
 
Last edited:
kentb said:
Any suggestion for someone that currently is flying with short range tanks?:eek:
Click to expand...

That would be me. Get some one quart sandwich bags that have the sliding plastic gizmo to seal the bag. Easy to use, but you might want to practice a few times in the hangar.

Tony
 
rv6ejguy said:
I'm sorry I can't resist on this one. You Lycoming guys are telling us that high vibration levels are making you pee more?;)

I'm thinking we better add that one to the negative side of the Certified vs. Alternative engine balance sheet.:rolleyes::)
Click to expand...

Nice try Ross, but driving the car does the same thing to me.:D
 
RE:Ain't Life Great........even in our aged condition

Kent and all you seasoned vets...............

Thanks for the thread......Great info......

Frank @ 1L8 ...Rv7A....was 935 details but now 936 last details.....:eek:
 
Ziplock and a Childs diaper

Hi,

Another trick glider pilots use is a zip lock bag with a disposable diaper inside. Its absorbant, and easy to stow....also, easy to toss.
 
I changed my mind...

Maybe I don't want to get a close look at your airplane;) Sorry I missed you Saturday, but you are welcome to land at LGD and use our new facilities.

I'm glad you started this thread, as I have been known to be the one who "has to go again ALREADY?!!" Now I have some good notes to check back on when I finally get mine in the air.

Roger
-9A slow QB
La Grande Oregon
 
Gatorade bottles, I think they are about 20 oz. They serve dual purpose - fluids to keep you hydrated, and somewhere to put the used fluids. I recommend not buying the yellow colored flavors, though.
 
Land the plane and pee standing up. Fussing with pee bottles is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. My luck I would miss!
 
Not always an option around here...

Certainly that is the preferred method, but there are a lot of areas over here where you might have to get QUITE uncomfortable before arriving at a suitable location.

Also, I can certainly see how those of us with "short-range tanks" would be safer with in-flight relief than doing the "pp dance" down to pattern altitude and through the circuit, taxiing who knows how far and shutting down. Those procedures demand a lot of attention, and we all have heard plenty of stories about perfectly good airplanes being flown into the ground by a distracted pilot.

Roger
-9A slow QB
La Grande Oregon
 
WSBuilder said:
After an instrument panel splash incident I installed a relief system on my Mooney. I mounted a Bernoulli funnel on the main landing gear and ran surgical tubing up to the ... ah....cockpit where I had a surplus B-52 relief funnel with the spring valve. I had to slow down to gear speed to deploy but it worked like a charm with no mess, inside or out.
Click to expand...
Seems it could be *relatively* easy rig something like this up on A model main gear.....
 
Small Tanks

Many people don't plan ahead. Webb and Kentb do now. Never mentioned here was never leave that bottle in the cockpit because some body may drink it!:(
 
Geico266 said:
Land the plane and pee standing up. Fussing with pee bottles is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. My luck I would miss!
Click to expand...

That is sage advice in a small plane. High probability of making a mess no matter what you use. This is especially true for women.

There is an alternative assuming no health problems.

SALT.

I find one small bag of lays potatoe chips contains enough salt to give me 4-5 hours of urge free flight, even after 2 cups of coffee.

Others use 1 or 2 of the standard salt tablets used by outdoor workers and sports teams in the summertime.

You will have to experiment to obtain the proper dose for you and it will vary depending on how much of what you recently drank.

In general works great.
 
What Kent wasn't saying

Here's the real story.

Kent was looking at a way to install something for convenience in his RV. He didn't want to embarass the VAF like this:

airforceie5.jpg


So he started an investigation to see what could be done. This was his first version that he tried since he had some left over aluminum

funnelnv8.jpg


It was too bulky and he was worried about space so started looking around for alternatives and he wasn't too happy when he found out about this:

nurseurinalje7.jpg


I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps you can call these folks and maybe they can help.

hotlinevd5.jpg
 
Speed is Life...

Kent, You could always unload that 9A and buy a Rocket, you'll get there quicker...:)

Smokey
HR2

PS: Most of our F16 Patrols over Iraq were 6-8 hour missions, a 3 or 4 pittle pack requirement for me. When you have to go, you get good at it...
 
Yeah... Faster is better.

smokyray said:
Kent, You could always unload that 9A and buy a Rocket, you'll get there quicker...:)

Smokey
HR2

PS: Most of our F16 Patrols over Iraq were 6-8 hour missions, a 3 or 4 pittle pack requirement for me. When you have to go, you get good at it...
Click to expand...

I could also add a smoke system. Do you think anyone would notice the my smoke was yellow?

Kent
 
Gallon size sliding latch ziplock, allows for proper positioning and reduces chances for spillage. Carry 4 or 5, they're also good for Young Eagles flights...and they don't leak.
 
Try: http://www.oxaero.com/Relief.asp

At least I have the comfort of knowing that all you young whippersnappers will be in the same "boat" someday ... if you can still pass your medical. ;)

Getting old is not for wimps. Never forget the three rules that Jack Nicholson told us in "The Bucket List":

1: Never pass a bathroom.

2: Never waste an erection.

3. Never trust a f**t.

Your day is coming.
 
As a glider pilot where long flights are common, I use to use the plastic internals of 3 liter wine boxes, these packed up small and you just removed and replaced the tap as required. When I changed to a new type of glider this did not work due to the seating position being more laying down. I was then put onto some products used in hospitals by another glider pilot who's wife is a nurse.

I use incontenant condoms which are a heavy walled condom with sticky internal wall for no leaks, (it is cold at height in a glider with no heating, no need to explain further, hence the sticky compound) This condom has a tube opening on the end. This is attached to a urine bag which has a tube attached to it. These bags have a small valve in them. If I'm on for a long glider flight I install condom first before I take off and if required during flight I attached the bag with the tube in it. I then leave this bag attached and lying on the floor, I keep spare bags in the side pocket if a replacement is required.

These products are cheap, disposable, leakproof and I can get them from my local chemist. Because these come in boxes of 50 or so we share the cost and supplies with other glider pilots.

Happy long distance flying

LS6
Flying friends RV6
Fuse RV8
 
The medical industry comes to the rescue again. First it's cast cutters for canopy work. Now it's leaky condoms. The next "group buy" item!

I dunno 'bout ya'll, but after about 2 hours sitting in my -9A, I need to get out and stretch the other legs, too.

Steve
 
Excaptusmc said:
:confused:A relief tube applies a bit of reduced pressure (ok, suction). The "assuming the proper position" problem could be eased with a flexible hose and funnel assembly. Has anyone installed a relief tube? Seems a logical solution except for belly cleanliness.
Click to expand...

I think what you are referring to in such gross terms as "relief tube" is what in NASA-speak would be known as a "Liquid overboard dispensing system". According to "Drag of Auxiliary Inlets and Outlets", a tube encased within a 12% thick streamlined section having a sweep angle of 30 deg., a span of 0.87", and a chord of 2.32" will, at M0.55, have the least drag of the 10 sections that were tested, which included circular, elliptical, and airfoil-shaped. With this type of discharge vent, no staining of the airframe occurred! I know, 'cause I have one on my Lancair which allows me to take along and drink coffee and soda on my 5 and 6 hour cross-country flights! Because of the reclined seat attitude in the Lancair, it helps if mother nature equipped your own discharge vent with sufficient span!
 
Keep it Simple

C'mon, guys. If I can manage with a Gatorade bottle in my RV-3, you don't need all these fancy store-bought solutions in your spacious cockpits!

...Joe
RV-3 - Privacy guaranteed.
 
Best solution

Best solution I've heard so far is to put a diaper in a gallon ziplock. Light weight, keep it in the flight bag. Use it and toss it. No leaks.....except yours.

As they say, ready when you are.

In a plane, guys are easy, what about he ladies? Will the diaper baggie work for them??
 
You must log in or register to reply here.