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05-09-2013, 02:16 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Tampa, FL
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Originally Posted by David Paule
If you just wanna fly, don't build an airplane. Buy one that's flyable, airworthy, and won't need more than routine maintenance for a while. Get a good check out and have fun flying it.
THEN decide if you also want to build an airplane.
Flying an airplane is so different than building one. Both fun, but entirely different activities.
Dave
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Hi Dave - I was stealing a line from Sugar Ray's song and didn't intend for it to be taken literally. Good points though.
I definitely want to build, but relate to Paul's question about being a traitor as until recently I've always envisioned building an RV and really enjoy the community, including VAF, so it does feel sacrilege to consider a OneX.
Returning to economics, among the advantages of building is "pay as you go" and having the Repairman Certificate.
OK, I guess I do wanna do more than just fly!
Chris
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05-09-2013, 04:11 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
Posts: 159
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Context
I threw this out there a little bit tongue-in-cheek, but it's certainly generated an interesting conversation. For me, I'm looking at this as a second airplane (first world problem). I have my RV-7 and fully intend to keep flying that. The appeal is really the idea of having a single seat plane that's a blast to fly locally. I'm frequently torn between the RV-3, Onex, Pitts S1, and Midget Mustang. I have no real interest in the ability to fly LSA (I'm 31 and healthy), and I'm not considering anything with more than one seat in this argument.
For the mission, and compared to an RV-3, I think I'd be into the Onex for 25% of the build time, 60% of the cost, 50% of the operating expense, and basically free storage (with folding wings, could tuck it next to the -7), and realize 80-90% of the fun. That's a worthwhile trade.
I'll still build a -3 someday. Just not sure when.
Somebody else on these forums had this equation in their signature:
The correct number of airplanes to own is n+1 where n is the current number owned. Alternatively, this could be s-1 where is s is the number that results in separation from one's spouse.
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1974 Bonanza V35B because n+1 
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05-09-2013, 04:27 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 4,435
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Another airplane that might be worth adding to the list is the Kolb Firestar. It's basically a single-seater with an optional jump seat. It's got significantly better visibility than the low-wing tractor airplanes.
It's fun and has very good short field performance. It's also very economical to own and fly. They've been around for a while and there's a Matronics forum that's pretty decent.
It's not fast, though. But you've got a fast airplane if you need one.
Dave
Last edited by David Paule : 05-09-2013 at 09:23 PM.
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05-09-2013, 04:47 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Norway, Stj?rdal
Posts: 598
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrblob
The correct number of airplanes to own is n+1 where n is the current number owned. Alternatively, this could be s-1 where is s is the number that results in separation from one's spouse.
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He he.
So this means that n+1 = s-1 (alternate but equivalent truths)
re-arranging: s = n+2
Considering divorce does not happen at n = 1, this leaves us at divorce at s = 1 + 2 = 3. or:
n = 1 -> s = 3
n = 2 -> s = 4
and so on. Which means you can always add one more aircraft without being afraid your wife kicking you out. But you should never add two aircrafts at once.
But it also means:
n = s-2
which means if your wife kicks you out at s=2, then n = 0. If your wife kicks you out at s=3, then you can only have one aircraft (n=1) before trouble emerges.
hmmm
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05-09-2013, 05:07 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 427
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Relationship: It's Complicated
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Originally Posted by SvingenB
He he.
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hmmm
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To further complicate your analysis, Stjørdal, recall that:
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrblob
s is the number that results in separation from one's spouse
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implies a causal relationship, but not the inverse.
So if one were to divorce first (while n = 0), then s becomes meaningless and n becomes (theoretically) unbounded.
Somewhat unintentionally, I'm in the middle of running that experiment at the moment, but I definitely do NOT recommend anyone attempt to replicate it . . . at least not for the sake of science.
Stephen
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05-09-2013, 07:45 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Big Sandy, WY
Posts: 2,567
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Hummel?
So, what's the scoop on the hummels? I've never taken a close look at them. Just articles and such. Low build time. Cheap. Are they any good, or just folded reynolds wrap?
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05-09-2013, 09:33 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 963
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I started an ultracruiser, but confess I'm more of a kit person that a scratch builder. There were 26 pages of plans and that's pretty much it (actually they also have some video's/DVD's that are pretty old).
Those that are flying are well liked. One of our local guys and friends is David Roe (with a beautiful RV-8). He built a round cowl Hummelbird that was written up twice some years back. One write up was on the airplane (a work of art) and the other write up was on the engine. A local guru, shrunk a VW engine down so all 4 cylinders were in the round cowl. Two great stories about two really leading edge builders!
Any metal plane that attempts to meet the LSA requirements has pretty thin skin. The ultracruiser went one step further and was an attempt at being an ultralight, with a half VW engine. In all honesty I'm not sure they could actually make the weight requirements (even though the factory would contest that)  I talked with one builder and asked about his empty weight (for an ultralight it's 254 pounds max). His response was, 'you mean the real weight or what I tell everyone?'.
They also have a model the M-5 I believe which is updated. I'd be remiss if I didn't also mention the BK Flier http://www.bkfliers.com/. This is a really well documented build and would come in under the price of a Onex.
As mentioned before the Panther looks pretty nice as well!
Bob
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05-10-2013, 03:07 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Norway, Stj?rdal
Posts: 598
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Realistically (although not very realistic atm) another airplane for me would be the OneX or rather the SD-1 The SD-1 can be built from scratch or several steps all the way up to ready to fly. It's cheap, flies like a god, reasonable, hardly bigger than a radio control model and flies good on a B&S or Kohler. They say you don't really fly it, you wear it.
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05-10-2013, 07:20 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Stilwell, KS
Posts: 1,096
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SvingenB
But it also means:
n = s-2
which means if your wife kicks you out at s=2, then n = 0. If your wife kicks you out at s=3, then you can only have one aircraft (n=1) before trouble emerges.
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If wife brings her own aircraft to the equation, one is not without emerging trouble. You just replace "divorce" with "bankruptcy."
By the way, +1 for Panther. Watch the flying videos!
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RV-3B sold, but flying!
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05-10-2013, 07:51 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 1,077
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KatieB
snip...
By the way, +1 for Panther. Watch the flying videos!
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And +1 on that +1!!!
See here for the latest video with audio:
http://flypanther.net/2013/05/08/wha...-a-panther-ls/
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Maule M5-180C (Sold)
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