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04-19-2013, 11:44 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Carson City NV
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Tip: Priming and paint
As a tech counselor I get called in to look over builders shoulders by request. If there is one over all complaint I have voiced; it is the priming of parts that mate to riveted surfaces. Often times there is too much primer used. When the finished parts are riveted together, the clinched rivet squeezes out the excess primer and shows a depressed area around that rivet. As you look down the line of rivets you can see it leaves a wavy line.
What is too much primer ???  I have been taught to prime just enough to see the base metal showing through the primed surface, all most a fog effect. Zinc chromate is a standard of the industry, and I use the simple spray cans. 
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04-19-2013, 12:56 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Yorktown, VA
Posts: 139
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Just don't use Liquid Plumber!!! LOL!! 
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04-19-2013, 10:45 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: West Linn, Oregon
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Hey now, I saw that. 
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04-20-2013, 07:59 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Boulder, CO
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Many builders are now using primers that have no intrinsic corrosion resistance except for being a barrier film. These primers need to be thicker to provide full coverage for protection.
With zinc chromate, a lighter coverage can be used because the zinc is protectve.
Dave
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04-20-2013, 12:12 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
Posts: 10,011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Paule
Many builders are now using primers that have no intrinsic corrosion resistance except for being a barrier film. These primers need to be thicker to provide full coverage for protection.
With zinc chromate, a lighter coverage can be used because the zinc is protectve.
Dave
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Or the strontium chromate in the AKZO epoxy primer which acts just like zinc chromate.
0.0010 to 0.0013 inch thickness is recommended and it will look semi-transparent.
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EAA Technical Counselor, Airframe Mechanic
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04-20-2013, 05:57 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Seabrook, TX
Posts: 26
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Be careful with zinc chromate. Unlike some chemicals that might cause cancer, zinc chromat DOES cause cancer. It is a known, proven carcinogen.
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She's The Best Thing That Ever Happened to Him and an RV Builder to Boot
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04-20-2013, 08:50 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Austinville, Alabama
Posts: 2,455
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Alodine (r) pen
Many of us started using the Alodine(r) pen for the rivet lines (original topic) several years ago. It eliminates the spray and when used per directions is a safe method to protect specific areas such as rivet lines. A single pen goes a long way and is extremely convenient.
P.S. The link I provided is not an endorsement. There are other sources at varying prices.
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RV-7 Wings
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N79599/ADS-B In and Out...and I like it!
?Certainly, travel is more than the seeing of sights;
it is a change that goes on, deep and permanent, in the ideas of living." Miriam Beard
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04-20-2013, 11:15 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 775
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Alodine touch n Prep Pen.
Not sure how far each pen goes, or lasts.
I realise this is a difficult question but how many would you anticipate you would use for a whole kit if used for rivet lines only on mating surfaces?
My kit is RV-12.
John
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04-21-2013, 06:25 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Austinville, Alabama
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I can't answer your question since I haven't finished my wings yet. But I wouldn't buy but one pen at a time since it does have a shelf life. Keeping it in a refrigerator extends the shelf life.
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RV-7 Wings
KDCU Pryor Field
Pilots'n Paws Pilot
N79599/ADS-B In and Out...and I like it!
?Certainly, travel is more than the seeing of sights;
it is a change that goes on, deep and permanent, in the ideas of living." Miriam Beard
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04-21-2013, 09:03 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Big Sandy, WY
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$100 for an Alodine pen versus $42 for a gallon of the stuff? No thanks. I'll stick to papr towels, acid brushes and scotchbrite.
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