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Do you make radio calls even if you are the only one in the traffic pattern?
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View Poll Results: Do you make radio calls even if you are the only one in the traffic pattern?
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03-31-2013, 04:51 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rochester NY
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...please don't say "any traffic in the pattern please advise"...
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How this crept into our jargon I do not know - but it's painful to listen to. Maybe there ought to be a fine.
"Over and out."
Dan
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04-01-2013, 01:17 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Sonoma County
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Originally Posted by DanBaier
How this crept into our jargon I do not know - but it's painful to listen to. Maybe there ought to be a fine.
"Over and out."
Dan
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We have a whole generation of people that don't know how to hold a pencil.
I can see where this came from.
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04-01-2013, 02:54 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Princeton, New Jersey
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Isn't this a catch-22 question? How would I know I was the only one in the pattern, if I did not announce myself? Yes I look every which way to check but have on occasion been met with a surpise response to a call. The call out to traffic is not a guarantee of any sort, just one more tool to use.
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04-01-2013, 03:18 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
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Originally Posted by DanBaier
How this crept into our jargon I do not know - but it's painful to listen to. Maybe there ought to be a fine.
"Over and out."
Dan
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Didn't you mean: "Roger, Wilco, Over and Out." 
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04-01-2013, 06:34 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2011
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yes
yes, sir (min text)
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04-01-2013, 07:00 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Mojave
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Originally Posted by Shado
Isn't this a catch-22 question? How would I know I was the only one in the pattern, if I did not announce myself?...
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You listen for others when they make their position reports... Then you know. For you to jump on frequency and essentially "demand" that others make a position report for your benefit is at best, rude. The other people may have just made their position reports 5 seconds before you joined the party, but now have to repeat them just for you?
Now, If you are on the 45 for the downwind, and some other guy is closed traffic turning downwind ( potential conflict), he will most certainly respond to your position report without the redundant "any other traffic..." Further, if another guy is on short final, what value is HIS report to you? He'll be at the gas pumps before you turn final. The point is, if we all make our position reports, it will become obvious what the traffic situation looks like. The demand to advise from every newcomer is redundant and clogs up the frequency.
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04-01-2013, 08:22 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Southern Indiana
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I always anounce departing, base, final, and clear of runway.....I mean, its just engrained i suppose
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04-01-2013, 08:32 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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I'll call 5 miles out, entering downwind, and short final, plus any other calls needed to coordinate with local traffic.
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04-01-2013, 08:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toobuilder
You listen for others when they make their position reports... Then you know. For you to jump on frequency and essentially "demand" that others make a position report for your benefit is at best, rude. The other people may have just made their position reports 5 seconds before you joined the party, but now have to repeat them just for you?
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However, "any traffic in the pattern please advise" an appropriate request in several instances, but only after monitoring the frequency for several moments. As I see it, it's primarily used when nobody's said anything for a while and you don't see any traffic and you're trying to avoid surprises. This is when other pilots are most likely not to announce themselves - when they think nobody's listening because nobody's talking.
Dave
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04-01-2013, 08:38 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Brookshire, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toobuilder
You listen for others when they make their position reports... Then you know. For you to jump on frequency and essentially "demand" that others make a position report for your benefit is at best, rude. The other people may have just made their position reports 5 seconds before you joined the party, but now have to repeat them just for you?
Now, If you are on the 45 for the downwind, and some other guy is closed traffic turning downwind ( potential conflict), he will most certainly respond to your position report without the redundant "any other traffic..." Further, if another guy is on short final, what value is HIS report to you? He'll be at the gas pumps before you turn final. The point is, if we all make our position reports, it will become obvious what the traffic situation looks like. The demand to advise from every newcomer is redundant and clogs up the frequency.
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It seems as if you're taking Shado to task for the "any traffic please advise" habit, yet he made no reference at all to doing that. Unless I misunderstand his post, he's just saying that you should make normal calls regardless of whether or not you think anyone else is in the pattern.
And yes, I always make calls. Even if nothing but crickets have responded to my last three calls, I'm still going to call base/final/clear/etc.
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