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03-26-2013, 03:02 PM
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And....because Strasnuts and BobT explained the upside down V better then me....I can now go back to the "Professional & Technical" term used for said upside down V!
Chicken Lips! Follow the Chicken Lips and you will find that destination 
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03-26-2013, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SmilingJack
The Flight Director gives you flight guidance cues on where to fly the airplane to keep it on altitude and course (track).
The old flight directors displayed it in a cross hair type display, the next generation where 2 bars that looked like an upside down V, the new display is HITS - Highway in the Sky.
Look at any of the new EFIS display pictures on the attitude indicator and you will see this magenta display of the flight director.
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Actually, HiTS and Flight Director displays are two different things. The Flight Director (as several have described well) shows you the attitude you need right now to match the guidance. The HITS display (Garmin calls them pathways) show a virtual highway that, in combination with the Flight Path Indicator (or Velocity Vector) shows you where you are going to be and allows you to fly a smooth course to get where you are going. HITS is better for overall situational awareness, but if you follow the Flight Director religiously, it will get you where guidance wants you to go.
Of course, the easiest way to follow the FD exactly is to just let the servos do it - hand flying to an FD just makes you a meat servo....
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03-26-2013, 04:16 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Australia
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Matt
Somebody always wants something more.
Any chance of Garmin producing a remote AoA display that we can mount on glareshield? Or possible can a third party display be used with the Garmin stuff?
Possibly Brantel can mass produce his unit.
John
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03-26-2013, 04:21 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newport, TN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rjtjrt
Matt
Possibly Brantel can mass produce his unit.
John
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Not gonna happen...I will however help you make your own....It is not that difficult and I will give you my code to make it run.
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03-26-2013, 04:46 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmilingJack
And....because Strasnuts and BobT explained the upside down V better then me....I can now go back to the "Professional & Technical" term used for said upside down V!
Chicken Lips! Follow the Chicken Lips and you will find that destination 
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Ha! That's funny....you big iron drivers will no doubt know the other explanation that unfortunately is somewhat too crude to post on a public forum due to it's "adult content".
In reality there are two basic types of FD's, Single Cue (V-Bar) and Dual Cue (Crosshair). Typically airlines will endeavor to promote a standard across their fleets, and you'll find pilots that love one and hate the other on both sides of the argument. Both serve the same purpose and both are traditionally coupled with autopilot systems (hence Paul's note about well known term...."meat servo"). Some EFISes offer both, some offer one or the other, but if you learn either of them it makes flying the plane really a pretty simple affair! Flight Directors, Velocity Vectors, HITS boxes and all the other goodies make our planes wonderful machines....BUT....accidents can and still do happen with these systems installed; so please don't consider them a panacea to replace well practiced IFR flight currency (or basic skills).
Cheers,
Stein
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03-26-2013, 08:09 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Santiago, Chile
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I am just finishing my panel upgrade with G3X and I want to change everything again
So now this is what I need to add/change to my dream panel:
New GSA 28 Autopilot Servos with Autotrim
New GMC 305 Autopilot Control Panel
New GSU 25 ADAHRS with AOA
New transponder GTX 23 ES
New Nav/Com GNC 255
Should be some kind of rebate for my old unused staff (bought on last December)
Garmin GTX 327
Garmin SL30
Trutrak GX
My wife is going to kill me if I change everything before I even fly with this 
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03-27-2013, 08:40 AM
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I expect to be in the market for a full boat avionics upgrade within a month or two, so this news is timely. The new pricing brings everything right into line with my initial system of choice ("brand D"). So I'm in the initial stages of the line for line comparison, but one thing sticks out as an apparent glaring shortcoming in the Garmin system - screen real estate. Comparing the dual widescreens from the competition (a 10 and 7 inch), the Garmin seems to be stuck in the past.
With the obvious fixation pilots have on "size"... What is driving the mad rush away from brand D?
Or put another way, can you help out a lazy consumer and tell me what I'm missing?
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03-27-2013, 08:57 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newport, TN
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Michael,
Here is a post I made a while back on this subject:
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Originally Posted by Brantel
Jake,
Take a long hard look at this in how they would be mounted and how you would use them. You may find that multiple portrait style screens are just as efficient or more so in terms of actual installation flexibility, usability and redundancy than larger screens.
Other larger screen systems typically divide the screen up into smaller sections anyway that essentially reduce that large screen into smaller functional areas.
Take a 10" Skyview that has 1024 x 600 resolution. In 50/50 split mode, that is 512 x 600... In 40/40/20 mode it gets split up even further. Just remember that a two screen G3X system has 25% more pixels than a 10" Skyview screen and will be very close to the same price....
The point is that there are many more factors to consider other than raw screen size. RV panels are not that big and finding the room to stuff it all in can be a challenge.
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It is the total package that matters to me not just raw screen size.
You can have huge glass but if it is not usable or it gets split up all the time in practical use, then what is the advantage?
A huge factor is Dynon still does not have a complete AP solution....
Another reason people are really embracing Garmin is their knowledge and experience in the field. Nobody else playing in this market can even scratch the surface on what Garmin brings to the table and Garmin is now doing it at an affordable and competitive price.
Remember, Garmin's Team X is made up of Homebuilders. That's a good bonus!
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03-27-2013, 09:02 AM
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I did read that, but a DUAL (10 AND 7 inch) screen from Brand D gives you a lot more than the dual screen from Garmin, does it not? If we're going to segment a single 10, then your argument makes sense. But people who are going to pop for the dual system have an apparently better option from "D".
The advantages of the Garmin AP are not lost on me, however... That's goodness!
Of course the competition will respond in 6 months with even BETTER stuff...
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WARNING! Incorrect design and/or fabrication of aircraft and/or components may result in injury or death. Information presented in this post is based on my own experience - Reader has sole responsibility for determining accuracy or suitability for use.
Michael Robinson
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RV-8 - SDS CPI
1940 Taylorcraft BL-65
1984 L39C
Last edited by Toobuilder : 03-27-2013 at 09:04 AM.
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03-27-2013, 09:09 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newport, TN
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Yes you are correct, the competition is great for all of us!
The big problem I have in a typical SBS RV is that to make the system usable with 2 large displays, they typically get split by the radio stack and that puts the second display far enough to the co-pilots side that it becomes difficult at best to use it and be effective.
The problem with tandems is can you fit two large displays in the panel with all the other stuff you need/want?
Last edited by Brantel : 03-27-2013 at 07:29 PM.
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