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05-16-2013, 06:36 AM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: St. Helens OR
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Originally Posted by gasman
Yep...... 1068 is just a shorter version of the 1515. Much more filter area on the 1515.
That information and torque spec's are all here in the above posts. If you are going to run a Napa Gold filter, I would suggest that you start from post 1 and read to here..... Lot of good information. Don't miss any "go to" links.....
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Thank you, I will do that!
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05-16-2013, 06:48 AM
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I know some folks will scoff at my conservative attitude, but...
There's no way I'm going to use an automotive filter on my (or anyone elses) aircraft just to save $15.
If that sucker fails you just toasted your 25k+ engine not to mention it may really ruin your day.
Just my 2c
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05-16-2013, 07:42 AM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
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Originally Posted by Walt
I know some folks will scoff at my conservative attitude, but...
There's no way I'm going to use an automotive filter on my (or anyone elses) aircraft just to save $15.
If that sucker fails you just toasted your 25k+ engine not to mention it may really ruin your day.
Just my 2c
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I agree with Walt on this issue, an oil filter is a bad place to get cheap. If you are really interested in using automotive filters, I suggest you spend a few minutes cutting an auto filter and an aircraft filter apart. The NAPA Gold filter, manufactured by Wix for NAPA, is one of better auto filters on the market but when you go inside you will see the differences in amount of filter media and metal thickness. Here is an interesting, non-scientific article on filters the interchange with a NAPA 1515:
http://www.austincc.edu/wkibbe/oilfilterstudy.htm
John Clark ATP, CFI
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05-16-2013, 08:59 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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Convenience. If I go and order a filter right now from Spruce its roughly $35 with shipping, might get here in 3 days. That really sucks when its Friday night and you're changing oil and that 48110 on the shelf you had disappeared. Why do that when I can use a proven, durable, locally sourced filter that is better (yes better) for about $4.00+tax, and have it in my hands in less than 15 minutes.
A reasonable inspection of the filter prior to installing it will go a long way in making sure it is safe to use.
A Rotax 912 uses an automotive filter, why is that not of any concern to you?
Why not drive around with an aviation filter in your car if costs of the filters are of no consequence to you?
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05-16-2013, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by rocketbob
Convenience. If I go and order a filter right now from Spruce its roughly $35 with shipping, might get here in 3 days. That really sucks when its Friday night and you're changing oil and that 48110 on the shelf you had disappeared. Why do that when I can use a proven, durable, locally sourced filter that is better (yes better) for about $4.00+tax, and have it in my hands in less than 15 minutes.
A reasonable inspection of the filter prior to installing it will go a long way in making sure it is safe to use.
A Rotax 912 uses an automotive filter, why is that not of any concern to you?
Why not drive around with an aviation filter in your car if costs of the filters are of no consequence to you?
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First, I plan ahead and buy more than one filter at a time, saves on shipping and you can usually get a price break.
A rotax is not relying on as much oil cooling as the Lycoming is, less flow to filter and the factory tested and approved the filter.
Same answer on the car remark. I used to own a Porsche 911, large oil capacity and lots of flow because of the "oil cooling" involved. Guess what, the filters are about the same price as aircraft units.
I don't doubt that the automotive filters will work, but I have a problem with using up some of my safety margin to save $25. a year.
John Clark ATP, CFI
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05-16-2013, 10:35 AM
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I assume you change your oil more than once a year, most people change it about 4x a year I would guess...so really the savings is about 100.00 a year.
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05-16-2013, 10:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John Clark
I don't doubt that the automotive filters will work, but I have a problem with using up some of my safety margin to save $25. a year.
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What safety margin? Where do you get your data to make this decision?
Is it the same sort of safety margin a B&C alternator buys you?
Or an aviation spark plug over an automotive one?
You use a K&N automotive air filter in your RV in a critical function, but that's not FAA/PMA approved...so why not switch the design to to a Brackett approved filter that costs more? Why is this acceptable but an automotive oil filter is considered inferior?
My point is your spending the extra $$ on a filter isn't really buying you anything more safe. Spend your money as you wish, for me the difference in cost buys me a little bit of mogas. Oh wait that's not safe either, I digress.
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05-16-2013, 11:00 AM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Quincy, Florida
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oil filters
I've watched this thread the last few days.........I try to stay out of arguments, but I'll have to go with Rocketbob.........I always have. Plenty of good common sense in that old boy!!!!! Some people strain at a gnat and swallow the elephant whole. Go figure..........Geeez.
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05-16-2013, 11:09 AM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by miyu1975
I assume you change your oil more than once a year, most people change it about 4x a year I would guess...so really the savings is about 100.00 a year.
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Not really, the "good guy" price on a proper filter is around $20, the usual retail on a NAPA 1515 is around $6, although the list price is $10.82  So the cost of my peace of mind is $28. a year, based on a 100 hours a year and 50 hour oil changes, per the Lycoming manual.
John Clark ATP, CFI
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05-16-2013, 01:04 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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Anybody have a suggestion on how to remove the nipple from the champion to use on the 5151?
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