OSH crash?

mdredmond · #1 07-24-2006, 02:30 PM

Anyone have any details on the crash yesterday at Oshkosh? All I can find is that a two-passenger plane crashed just short of the runway.

TIA,

-mdr

Mike Armstrong · #2 07-24-2006, 02:37 PM

Just found this.....

http://wfrv.com/topstories/local_story_204183942.html

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/apps/.../60724051/1987

mdredmond · #3 07-24-2006, 02:51 PM

How awful. It was a guy named Cliff Shaw and his wife, from Washington state. They have kid(s) and grandkids.

Plane was a Europa XS. Robert Miller is now saying reports of a stall/spin on final, but I'm not sure where he got that.

NYTOM · #4 07-24-2006, 04:28 PM

That is just terrible news. My first flight into Oshkosh was overwhelming. I would imagine they were pretty excited too bringing their pride and joy into the biggest gathering of experimentals in the world. I can identify with them being about the same age with grand kids of our own. It gives me a cold chill down my spine. Terrible, just terrible.
NYTOM

Baja_Traveler · #5 07-24-2006, 07:33 PM

That is a real bummer, seems to happen every year in one form or another. Last year when I was there a P51 and a Glastar Sportsman went down. I was listening to the live feed of OSH tower yesterday, and it was just amazing how much traffic there was. Being a new pilot, I would be terrified to fly into the kind of gridlock I was hearing.

praterdj · #6 07-24-2006, 09:18 PM

Just terrible. Two young men (26 and 31) died this week near Walnut Ridge Ar. when the cub they were flying went down and burst into flames. We knew both of their parents and are deeply saddened at their loss. It is a great hobby that we are passionate about but it reinforces the need to do things by the book. Even then there is still the possibility of something like this.

My wife was talking about it but she still is more comfortable about my flying than me owning a motorcycle. Probably because she stayed with me at the hospital when I destroyed my last one.

My thoughts and prayers are with their family.

f1rocket · #7 07-25-2006, 11:51 AM

I just got back from OSH this afternoon.

The accident aircraft was about two or three airplanes behind me. Typical approach to 27, close in downwind with one turn from downwind to final. I landed and after the controller asked me to exit at the first turn off, he was calling for closure of the airport. After parking, I watched the rescue teams with my binoculars. They had the runway closed for almost two hours.

Folks need to be careful making tight, in close turns. It's too easy to over crank the bank angle when oveshooting, resulting in a possible stall. I don't know if that what happened to this pilot, but it looks like like based upon a description I heard from a fellow pilot who witnessed the accident.

My condolences to their family. It was a sad day on Sunday.

mdredmond · #8 07-25-2006, 12:03 PM

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Folks need to be careful making tight, in close turns. It's too easy to over crank the bank angle when oveshooting, resulting in a possible stall. I don't know if that what happened to this pilot, but it looks like like based upon a description I heard from a fellow pilot who witnessed the accident.

Pure conjecture, but yeah, sounds like an all-too-common "a little more rudder to tighten up this turn..." stall/spin.

Anyone know if that electronic AOA gadget (like Doug has) will warn of an incipient cross-control stall? I guess maybe, but only when the left wing is in danger of stalling?

n5lp · #9 07-25-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by f1rocket

...Folks need to be careful making tight, in close turns. It's too easy to over crank the bank angle when oveshooting, resulting in a possible stall.

I would suggest the more dangerous thing is the feeling that one should not crank the bank angle, so should help it around with rudder and use a shallow bank angle. Much easier to get in very serious trouble with too much rudder than too much bank angle.

mdredmond · #10 07-25-2006, 01:48 PM

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Much easier to get in very serious trouble with too much rudder than too much bank angle.

Larry, you got that right. A steep turn is a steep turn whether you're 500 feet up or 5000. Nothing fundamentally wrong with a coordinated steep turn...

But a stall in a skidded turn, like trying to eke out a little more rate with the rudder, is wicked. That inside wing 'tucks under' with no buffet, no warning, nothing. The turbulent airflow over the inside (stalling) wing flows outward and misses the tail, so you can't feel it coming. The result is you're inverted and spinning in about .5 seconds.

I feel really dumb mentioning it because I'm so low-time, but it's a terribly common thing. Kills a hundred or so people every year...