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Old 11-23-2012, 09:27 AM
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Default Installing the Dynon ADSB Weather-Traffic Box

I am looking forward to buying and installing the Dynon ADSB weather receiver when it comes out – hopefully in December 2012. So I am planning the installation in an EXISTING E-LSA Skyview panel. Here are my thoughts, I hope for some more ideas! A retrofit may have a different, easier solution than an original installation might be.

The ADSB box is a 7 inch by 4.6 inch by 1.2 inch thick rectangle. It has an antenna connection and a DB9 connection. No weight listed, probably about a pound. The mounting holes on the base are at 6.5 inches by 3 inches. Only 4 wires are used on the DB9 – power, ground, TX and RX to the Skyview network (CORRECTION - to a Skyview Serial Input). There is a plug for these on the AV-5000A junction box. There is no length restriction on these wires so the box can be mounted anywhere.

The antenna (not included) is a simple blade type like http://www.deltapopaviation.com/UAT_Antenna.html (or even a rod type) that is supposed to be 2 feet from other antennas, particularly the transponder antenna.

The main issue for mounting the box in the instrument bay is the difficulty of routing the thick antenna cable (with BNC connectors on each end!!!!) through the panel base and the brake pedal tray and down the tunnel etc. I really don’t like this idea! Van’s announced S-LSAs options lists includes the ADSB so there will be some sort of additional option to add it from Vans for kits-in-progress and even retrofits. I bet it will be in the instrument bay with the installation difficulties mentioned for completed planes.

Now, the box and antenna could be put behind the tail bulkhead. My bulkhead cover panel is already “split” (see the “modifications” sticky thread) so there is access without removing the fuel tank. But it isn’t “great” access for getting head and hands back there. But, mounting the box and antenna back there would seem good, and running 4 small wires up to the panel (where they plug into the AV-5000A box) seems a lot easier than routing an antenna cable.

But in looking around further, I am really wondering about under the passenger side seat in the outside bay where there is access to the headset jacks. (Passenger side because there is no autopilot servo around there.) And maybe even mounting the antenna somewhere around that area. The benefit is that the antenna cable routing is easy, and even the four small wires avoid going through the system blocks tunnel etc. Maybe mount the antenna in that empty space next to the elevator cable pulleys – a little backer plate with nutplates would be easily accessed there.

Now there is benefit to mounting the antenna to one of the bottom outboard inspection plates below the landing gear. And the antenna wire could possibly be run straight aft from that headset bay location somehow (avoiding the system block tunnel) to such a location.

Other thoughts or ideas? I will probably do the installation in April 2013 during my 1st condition inspection when everything is open anyway.

ADDED: Hmmmm - I wonder if the 4 wires from the box could be simply electrically spliced into the 4 similar wires to the ADAHRS back in the tailcone? Then mounting the box and antenna back in the tailcone would involve no wires anywhere else in the plane! I will inquire with Dynon. Note that doing it that way would not separately power the ADSB box via the GPS/ADSB fuse on the right side of the fuse panel - it would be extra load on whatever the power source to the ADAHRS is. A quarter-amp, I think.
CORRECTION - it is 200ma.
WHOOPS - bad idea. The ADSB uses one of the Skyview Serial inputs, not the Skyview Network like the ADAHRS. So it will need 4 wires to the AV-5000A Box.

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Old 11-27-2012, 08:45 AM
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FWIW - they Dynon guys were at Copperstate and I was talking to one of them about the new ADS box (they had brochures) and if it would available as upgrade to the RV-12 kit and the guy really didn't seem to know if it would or not.

I was planning on just using my ipad with one of the many apps and the new ads-b portable solutions that are out there now for around $800. The Dynon guy seemed to think we would be able to upgrade the systems, but he really wasn't sure. Would be nice to see some updates on this for the RV-12, pricing, etc as your efforts progress.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:15 AM
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Since ADS-B out isn't mandatory until 2020 I plan on waiting to see if the "cheaper / better" trend continues. There should be many choices for In and Out as the deadline approaches.
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:58 PM
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Vans announcement of their S-LSA fully built planes claimed that the ADSB weather would be optional. That means they have to do all the drawings etc. for that. Also the AV-5000A box has a plug for it. I would bet dollars to donuts that you will see it listed as an option with revised plans after it comes out.

I will be curious where they decide to locate the box and the antenna. And there are three wiring choke points that are really starting to be a problem! (Above brake pedal bars, rear of the forward portion of the tunnel forward of the wings, and below the system blocks). I would certainly enlarge a couple in particular of the tunnel snap bushings if I was currently building...

Scott M. or Mitch L., would you care to comment please regarding potential component location on the S-LSA?

RFS - your -12 will already be "ADSB-out." It is possible that the Dynon box could come down in price in the next few years though. The Ipad ADSB solution costs almost as much and I personally will prefer to see the weather while in flight on the Dynon and not have to also deal with my Ipad.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:42 PM
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I don?t have the Dynon, but have the NavWorx ADS-b and installed it on the passenger side of the rear bulkhead and the blade ANT by the second empennage rib just right of mid line, just enough to get the needed distance from the Comm. Ant. The ADS-B works great and I love flying with it. I know this is different since I went EAB, so we will have to wait to see where Vans recommends the equipment.
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Hope this helps for those who are going forward with the install and placement of the ANT before VANs has the plans.
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Bill H - I didn't mention that I have the D-180, not Skyview, so my selection process for ADS-B will be different from the SV guys. I'll probably go for some combo of WAAS GPS and mode S transponder that is independent of the DSAB for ADS-B Out I hope to be using a portable ADS-B In receiver and my IPad mini soon for the In portion.

BTW I just started using an IPad Mini, and it is ideal for the 12 cockpit. It makes the IPad 2 I was using look clunky!

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Old 11-28-2012, 06:55 AM
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I am pretty sure that the Ifly 720 will work with many of the adsb receivers. If you have not seen this unit, check it out on Adventure Pilot.com. It is very reasonably priced and packed full of features. It is so easy to use it does not even come with a manual.
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:29 AM
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The DYNON ADSB receiver (weather and traffic) for Skyview is now shipping! $995. http://dynonavionics.com/docs/news_v...03Dec2012.html

The software update (version 5.0) that will make it work will follow in a few weeks, they say. But many want the box ASAP to install it in a currently in-progress plane (i.e. non-E-LSA RV-12 in progress). So the question is for E-LSA in-progress Builders, when will the Van's mods to mount this box be available?
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Mine is on the way! For the ELSA people I would suppose Vans will follow with an installation kit?
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:49 AM
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Bill H - I didn't mention that I have the D-180, not Skyview, so my selection process for ADS-B will be different from the SV guys. I'll probably go for some combo of WAAS GPS and mode S transponder that is independent of the DSAB for ADS-B Out I hope to be using a portable ADS-B In receiver and my IPad mini soon for the In portion.

BTW I just started using an IPad Mini, and it is ideal for the 12 cockpit. It makes the IPad 2 I was using look clunky!

Rich
Rich, sorry for the thread drift, but would you mind posting a picture of how you are mounting the mini iPad in the cockpit, if indeed you are doing so?
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