E-Subie H-4 coming back...

[cjensen]

We're almost on the same sheet...I took my deposit back BECAUSE of the belted redrive. That's the lack of direction I'm talking about. I was really happy with the Gen 2 geared drive. What a neat small little package that did the job well...then he changed it. Money is back to me.

Pertinent information is pretty easy to come by. I don't think many people go in to buying a $25k+ engine packages without knowing the pertinent info. Some probably do, but I would think most do the research and know what they are getting in to. It's a huge committment, and anyone thinking about doing it should know that before sending the card number or check.

I do agree with Ross that Mistral is probably one of the straightest shooters out there. Tracy Crook is another that I would trust. He's cheap, and everyone knows it. He'll tell you that. He'll tell you what works, and what doesn't.

Now we're on the same page. I think I'm gonna add the R-2800 to my list of possibilities...

[Yukon]

Originally Posted by rv6ejguy

Deception from Mistral?? From Mickey's tour a ways back of their factory and many other things I have read over the last few years, they'd appear to be one of the straightest shooting companies on the horizon. Of course we need to see independent testing when these are available. Deception is a pretty strong word.

In this area, straight talk will go easier in the long run and leave you with happier customers. Those who have not learned that lesson yet, soon will.

Engines are about choices and preferences, just like many other things in life. Should everyone drive a Toyota because year after year, they have been shown to be one of the most reliable marques with good resale- why on earth would you want a Chev or Ford or Dodge then? Obviously many people prefer other brands just like with TVs, GPSs, blenders, aircraft etc. etc. The world would be a very boring place without choices.

To many, other things like refinement, ease of operation and economy are far more important than weight or even initial cost as for instances.

The people choosing to power their aircraft with Mistral or Egg engines are not fools. They are not stupid. They are not inexperienced. They include engineers, professional pilots and other saavy types along with low timers building their first airplanes. They are all big boys, capable of deciding how they will spend their money and probably not too interested in the strident roar from the other side of the fence spewing doom and gloom about their "crazy " choices. Ignoring the bouquets from Egg users like the 29,000 hour, 50 year veteran who has 7 times your flight experience and has flown BOTH cert engines and Egg ones is your perogative. Most are pretty enthusiastic about their engine choices, probably some are not. It's interesting that so much flak comes from those who have never flown behind an alternative engine.

If you don't like them, fine that is your choice, nobody has a gun to your head to buy one and we all thank you for looking out for our interests. As I've said before, if your like your Lyco, please, by all means, enjoy flying it.

See Ross, this is what others refer to as "Hyperbole" All those words, and not one specific reference to the belt drive gearbox, Jan's misleading website,
Mistral's improbable fuel claims, Egg's overheating, David's H-4 crash, Crossflow's pilaging of hopeful customers, Innodyne's unfulfilled spec sheet,
Powersport's voracious appetite for fuel, NSI's disappearance from the web.

You've made your choice, Ross, not once but twice. David's made his choice, not once but twice too. Beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder.

[RVbySDI]

Originally Posted by Yukon

I guess I'm preaching to the choir. . . Why do I want to change your mind?.......I don't. I want you, and others, to have enough pertinent information to make your own good decisions.

I have to agree with Chad on your posts John. I look at your posts and all I see is a Fire and Brimstone preacher trying to convert the masses with: "You all are going to ****!!"; This or that "whatever" is not what you would do, "so anyone who doesn't do what I say is a fool", talk. Why are Subies or rotaries such an emotional topic with you? Why are installing fuses instead of CB's sending you over the edge?

Come on John, how about lightening up a little in these forums? I, for one, personally appreciate all of the differing views on these forums and welcome the diversity of thought. That is what leads to innovations like 2400 hour TBO's on Lycoming O-235's or increased efficiencies of old doohickies and whatchamacallums when you install new widgets and thingimajigs.

Instead of looking forward to reading what you have to say I find myself wincing when I see your name posted on a forum. It makes me want to skip that thread and go onto another one because I know when I open it up and read your post I am going to have to read about how you feel that such and such is rediculous or that so and so is foolish for doing whatever. That is not why I read these posts. I read them to glean information from a diverse group of builders and hopefully learn something new I didn't know before. That especially goes for people who do things differently than I do. If everyone did it the way I did it, what possible things would I be able to learn from them?

How about it John? I vote for a "chill pill". I would love to hear some positive constructive posts from you on something like the great benefits I can gain from installing a Lycoming engine in an RV and how it will benefit me in the long run to do so. Of course, you might end up telling me things that I have already concluded on my own as it appears that in the process of researching all the various options for engines on my plane I will be installing an O-290-D2. Price, performance, weight, reliability, simplicity, design parameters, etc. etc. etc. keep sending me away from alternatives and back to the "tried and true". So I guess even if you were to write such a post you would be "preaching to the choir" again but at least I could enjoy your positive attitude for a change.

[Yukon]

Steve,

You pick your posting topics, and I'll pick mine!

[Yukon]

Originally Posted by cjensen

We're almost on the same sheet...I took my deposit back BECAUSE of the belted redrive. That's the lack of direction I'm talking about. I was really happy with the Gen 2 geared drive. What a neat small little package that did the job well...then he changed it. Money is back to me.

Pertinent information is pretty easy to come by. I don't think many people go in to buying a $25k+ engine packages without knowing the pertinent info. Some probably do, but I would think most do the research and know what they are getting in to. It's a huge committment, and anyone thinking about doing it should know that before sending the card number or check.

I do agree with Ross that Mistral is probably one of the straightest shooters out there. Tracy Crook is another that I would trust. He's cheap, and everyone knows it. He'll tell you that. He'll tell you what works, and what doesn't.

Now we're on the same page. I think I'm gonna add the R-2800 to my list of possibilities...

Chad,

Would be glad to have you as our launch customer!

[cjensen]

I said possible, not probable...If you fly it first, and it works, I may sign up!! Gotta love that radial sound!

Until then...what's going on over at Jabiru and Deltahawk...

[Kaycee]

Read the comments about Mistral. I'm going Rotary, and have the Mistral injection intake system, took a while to get, but the workmanship is super. How well it will run, who knows, I'll be another year or 2 before I'm close to flying.
Harold Kovac, RV9A, Fuselage

[RV7Guy]

After my extremely bad experience at the hands of an alternative engine company I went with the ECI.

Like it or not the Subaru companies are in a continuous state of R&D with the end user as the lab rats. R&D is a good thing if you are trying to improve on a product that already has a proven track record. None of those existing have that. There are a few that have been relatively successful. But they are the exception and not the rule.

Again, I ask, "with all of the discussion, documented issues and known issues, would you put your wife, husband, son or daughter behind these engines?"

Chad, it is time for an intervention. See me at the BBQ. The men in Ninja suits will be taking you away for reprogramming.

Unsubscribing from the Subaru lists one the most liberating experiences an RV owner could have

[cjensen]

Originally Posted by RV7Guy

Chad, it is time for an intervention. See me at the BBQ. The men in Ninja suits will be taking you away for reprogramming.

Unsubscribing from the Subaru lists one the most liberating experiences an RV owner could have

He he he!! If I see men in Ninja suits at the BBQ, you won't have any problem taking me away...I'll be laughing my A$$ off!! I'm laughing right now just thinking about how that would look...HA!!

[Rotary10-RV]

Originally Posted by Yukon

See Ross, this is what others refer to as "Hyperbole"<snip>
Mistral's improbable fuel claims, <snip>

John,
I speak only with reguards to Mistral here, you are simply wrong. They are certifing the engine. The FAA would be a bit upset about misleading fuel claims in a POH. I'll give you the benifit of the doubt here and say your comments are made in ignorance, rather than being malicous. I have followed the development of Mistral's engines on several rotary oriented sites and they have been very up front about how they improved the fuel flows and the HP in their engines. Some of the changes they made that ran counter to the "accepted wisdom" as well. Their willingness to share their dyno results has been a great help. That Mistral has agreed to sell some of their very well made parts to homebuilders, (and more importantly DELIVERING those parts), speaks volumes about the quality of their organization.

Bill Jepson
Rotary10-RV