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08-28-2012, 07:41 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
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Originally Posted by JDRhodes
But, he may have problems from flying without a CofA. Holding a current and valid CofA is a specific policy condition.
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And that right there is best argument I can think of (besides basic common sense) to keep taxi tests limited to about .7 Vso.
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08-28-2012, 07:48 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Calgary, Canada
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Originally Posted by RV7Guy
Your plan was fine and I don't consider this "high speed." I'm talking about speeds where flight could occur. I still stand that virtually everything you need to know before flight can be done at lower speeds.
"if it predictable, it is preventable." The odds of an incident rise with speed. Speed that in most cases is uneccessary. Too many events support, "don't do it."
As you said, "it is your choice."
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35-40 knots is a very high speed "taxi" IMO. How fast do you normally taxi?  If you are getting up to near the power off stall speed in these tests, you are asking for trouble power on and you are no longer in what I'd call taxi mode. This is about setting reasonable, safe limits for the exercise.
These tests are valuable in certain situations, I'm not saying everyone should do them but this whole thing about saying people shouldn't even do this is silly. How about aerobatics? Would most people start doing them without some training or experience? "Too many events support"- have a proper, safe plan and follow it. If you can't get something simple like this right, you shouldn't be doing the initial flights IMO. You lack the stick skills and decision making skills to give you the best chance of a safe outcome.
If you call it quits at .7 times stall speed (cross check ASI with GPS) in calm conditions, the airplane simply cannot fly and if you have at least 2500 feet of runway, check the brakes before pushing the throttle up, have a safe throttle off landmark picked out on the runway ahead and pay attention to directional control, any competent pilot should be able to safely do this exercise.
Virtually every fast taxi accident has happened because people did not have a good plan in place or broke "the rules"- just like any other type of aviation accident.
Last edited by rv6ejguy : 08-28-2012 at 09:55 AM.
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08-31-2012, 02:21 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 358
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Originally Posted by BobTurner
Now comes the test of the insurance company's integrity. Will they attempt to deny coverage because the plane was flown, inadvertantly, without an A/W certificate?
I'd like to hear of the outcome, good or bad, and the name of the company. Just for my info.
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If the insurance companies did not have to pay for mistakes by people being stupid, all our rates would be lower.... After all, the insurance company is not paying this claim, we are.....
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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08-31-2012, 02:58 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Woodinville, WA
Posts: 533
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How do you "high speed taxi" a 701? Those things take off as soon as you apply power!
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08-31-2012, 03:25 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Hopkinsville, KY
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But, he may have problems from flying without a CofA. Holding a current and valid CofA is a specific policy condition.
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This is what I was thinking exactly!
If you flew the plane (intentionally or unintentionally) without a Airworthiness Certificate how would think that the insurance company would pay you anything. Doesn't sound like he had any transition training either, I was required to have some. Shouldn't matter if he intended to fly or not, he did!
My vote is, no check due.
So what is the out come, we can't wait to hear.
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08-31-2012, 03:30 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: na
Posts: 1,457
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Originally Posted by B25Flyer
If the insurance companies did not have to pay for mistakes by people being stupid, all our rates would be lower.... After all, the insurance company is not paying this claim, we are.....
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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Every year my insurance premium is lower. This year it was $600 lower than last for the same coverage... despite all the "stupid" pilots...
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08-31-2012, 05:16 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Woodinville, WA
Posts: 533
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Originally Posted by RV8R999
Every year my insurance premium is lower. This year it was $600 lower than last for the same coverage... despite all the "stupid" pilots...
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Lower than last year, not as low as it should be.
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RV-10, Flying as of March 2011 ( blog)
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08-31-2012, 05:17 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ
Posts: 2,393
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Accidents
The Zenair airplanes appear to have a pretty dismal accident rate. Another one yesterday-two fatal.
As far as the high spped taxi accident, why attempt this at all until the A/W is in Hand?
The pilot is very likely looking at a certificate suspension.
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