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08-15-2012, 09:29 AM
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I like how my dad put it.. whether you'll be able to get out or not, at least a chute gives you something to do on the way down.
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08-15-2012, 09:40 AM
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08-15-2012, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by turbo
HHHH, headset, hatch, harness, heave! dont forget to pull the chute. a good low altitude chute will deploy in 300'. 
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"Duck, shuck, and huck."
Duck and dump the canopy, shuck the harness and headset, and huck myself over the side.
I practice it too, with a more gentle canopy opening.
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08-15-2012, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Juvat
Okay, interesting discussion, but the question for me remains: how do I get out of the airplane? I'm about to become a new RV-8 pilot, and I'm really not sure how in the world I would get out.
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If a picture says a thousand words, perhaps I should say no more. Does this help:
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11-25-2012, 07:27 AM
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I have been reading this thread with interest since a Chute was one of the things I was wondering about. Here are a couple questions:
1.Is the popular opinion that you are not required by the Regs to have a chute if you do acro solo?
2. With a chute being a good idea, Do you guys take a few jump lessons so that in the event you needed to leave your aircraft you know how to properly activate the chute and guide it to a safe landing?
Thanks!
Dom
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11-25-2012, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Maj. Woody
I have been reading this thread with interest since a Chute was one of the things I was wondering about. Here are a couple questions:
1.Is the popular opinion that you are not required by the Regs to have a chute if you do acro solo?
2. With a chute being a good idea, Do you guys take a few jump lessons so that in the event you needed to leave your aircraft you know how to properly activate the chute and guide it to a safe landing?
Thanks!
Dom
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1. Its not popular opinion. Its a fact.
2. This is not answerable to your satisfaction. Some do, some don't. I did. You will have to decide for yourself.
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11-25-2012, 12:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maj. Woody
2. With a chute being a good idea, Do you guys take a few jump lessons so that in the event you needed to leave your aircraft you know how to properly activate the chute and guide it to a safe landing?
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Awesome idea! I would highly recommend for those that are wearing, or considering wearing, a pilot rig, to actually consider or make at least an AFF skydive (Accelerated Freefall Program-visit uspa.org for more info). I know of a Chief Engineer that did exactly that prior to flying a one of a kind Experimental. Pretty heads up move on his part. He also trained in unusual attitude recovery... One can draw the analogy of this situation being similar to owning/carrying a firearm and yet have never fired it on a range. A total unknown the first time you use it...
Second - Practice, practice, practice... Put your rig on, climb in, and practice the emergency egress. Passengers too! Now do it again... This is where Turbo's checklist comes in. (Great idea!) What you practice on the ground is probably what you will do in the air under the actual emergency. Anything skydiving is drilled ad naseum on the ground before climbing in the airplane. It works...
Third - Canopy/rig selection... You may or may not want a 26' Lopo reserve (round parachute). By going through the AFF training, you are now trained on ram air parachute operation. And guess what, it lands very similarly to an airplane!  It will give you the option of missing the power lines when a round parachute may not. I think (personal opinion here) even a untrained individual could walk away from a ram air landing if they were instructed to leave it in brakes (toggles stowed) after deployment. Talk to the rig manufacturers. Most, if not all, are skydivers who can recommend the best rig/canopy selection for you and your pax. Weight matters in the selection so make sure it's sized for your weight/size...
If considering a used rig, have a FAA Parachute Rigger inspect it. I've seen some pilot rigs that are so sun damaged that they were grounded, yet would probably pass muster for an untrained eye. (UV light is damaging for nylon parachute components). Keep your rig stored in a parachute bag and not in the direct sunlight.
Wearing a pilot rig adds to your optional permutations, but ensure that you and your pax are trained to use it properly.
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11-25-2012, 01:39 PM
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Another thing to consider is going to a vertical wind tunnel to get a feel for freefall. If you are low, you really have no time to worry about being stable. Get out and pull and hope for the best.
You need to know how to steer. Does your round have a four-line release? How do the toggles work?
What about a PLF?
Education and practice are essential.
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11-26-2012, 07:37 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Niceville, Florida
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Bail Out Considerations
The canopy in in our RV-4 is jettisonable and here's some thoughts went into developing the procedures for emergency egress in the pilot's operating handbook:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8E...EladzlUdHM0M1E
The appropriate sections of the handbook are included in the .pdf.
Fly Safe,
Vac
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Last edited by Vac : 11-26-2012 at 07:48 AM.
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11-26-2012, 02:12 PM
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I hadn't thought about it before, but I think getting some jump/parachuting instruction is a great idea. Some 30 years ago I did it just for fun. There have no doubt been lots of changes in the field since then, but I remember some interesting lessons.
For one thing, an untrained individual, when put into a freefall situation, will "fall wrong." You'll almost certainly fall back first, which is not a good position for parachute deployment if the parachute is on your back! Part of parachuting instruction is to learn to arch your back, with knees bent, and arms extended and held way back behind the plane made by your body. This will move your CG forward and cause you to fall "face first."
Second, if you're manually deploying your parachute (there is also such a thing as an automatic deployment based on altitude and vertical speed), it's very important to "LOOK, REACH, PULL, (and ARCH)." We were told a story of a woman skydiver who fell all the way to the ground without deploying her parachute. They found that there was nothing wrong with her 'chute. They also found that she had a literally a death grip on one of the riser rings attached to her harness. They concluded that she has trying -- with all her might -- to pull what she apparently thought was the rip cord handle, but was actually part of her harness/riser assembly. Had she had the wherewithall to LOOK at what she was grabbing, she could have ensured that she grabbed the correct thing and be alive today.
There's undoubtedly more, but these two things demonstrate to me that it'd be an excellent idea to get some actual parachuting and skydiving experience before actually wearing a parachute. Such a shame it would be to successfully remove yourself from your out-of-control airplane, only to die as a result of not deploying your parachute properly.
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