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Old 08-11-2012, 08:00 PM
Gerald Loyd Gerald Loyd is offline
 
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Default 2012 Pine Bluff Formation Clinic

Just a post to be sure all interested pilots know about the 2012 Pine Bluff Formation Clinic at Pine Bluff, AR scheduled for Oct 12 -14. Here is the link to the group site.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/2012pinebluffclinic/
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Old 08-12-2012, 04:51 PM
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I can't wait. The sight is up for a week and the number of members is growing fast. Don't take too long. There are only so many rooms reserved.
It's going to be COOL.
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:35 PM
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Default 2012 Pine Bluff Formation Clinic

Last year was great !!

Formation flying is very rewarding to me, and has made me a better pilot.
You may not know what you are missing... I didn't.

Take a look and sign up!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/2012pinebluffclinic/

Photo of the "all up" last year, taken by Bobby K. Buford
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Old 09-01-2012, 04:55 PM
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Default Long shot

I'm a bit of a long shot as I won't have my Oct work schedule for 3 weeks, but I am signed up in case this all falls in place.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:22 PM
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I juggled my schedule enough to easily fit this little trip in. Booked a hotel room and am doing my special wx dance.
I will likely arrive Thurs night, unless I find a nice pace to stay along the way Thurs.

Looking forward to learning a lot.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:06 PM
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Default Why no vernier throttles?

I know this is the standard line in the formation work, the Pylon Racing School and the Reno Air Races "why?" is my question. I did work in the pit crew for Bob Mills at Reno this year and both of the other members are going to the PRS next year (RV-6 and Harmon Rocket II) and I will admit to a slight interest but I have GREAT reluctance to cutting up a perfectly functioning system for an arbitrary rule. I had levers in the Archer for 25 years and they worked fine but you couldn't dial in the numbers as precisely as with a vernier. Oh well that is a distraction from the subject sorry Gerald.

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Old 10-03-2012, 07:49 PM
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Not sure I concur about the twist throttle rule being arbitrary. Makes complete sense to me. Especially when in really close and needing to chop the power with zero delay or impediment.

But regardless, there is a control system that offers the quick control action of a lever combined with the twisting vernier action.

I saw the equipment at Oshkosh and it worked well. I believe this is the product.

http://www.mcfarlaneaviation.com/Pro...4&ID=17049918&

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Old 10-03-2012, 08:50 PM
Bob Axsom Bob Axsom is offline
 
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Default Now I could live with that

I could live with that but I don't believe for an instant it will be acceptable to the regulators in the near future. From the description I assume the problem that exists today is vernier control jamming. Thank you for that.

Bob Axsom

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Old 10-03-2012, 09:30 PM
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Default Vernier Throttle

Bob et al

We banned Vernier Throttles long ago because of experience in clinics with new formation pilots trying to twist to stay in position. Until you have tried to stay in position on the wing or in close trail during high pitch/bank Lazy 8s you just cannot understand how much in and out throttle movement there is going on. Vernier Throttles are an impediment to good formation flying. Some have fashioned devices to hold the button in on their Vernier Throttles, but that releases any friction in the cable and makes it too loose for good control,and there is the possibility of jamming. The formation commununity understands that a regular friction throttle in the only throttle consistant with good formation flying. When not in formation a friction throttle can easily deliver the preciseness required for good instrument flying.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:31 PM
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Default Is clinic full?

Never mind earlier post. I was just added to the yahoo group so I'm able to get the info now. Charlie
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