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Old 07-16-2012, 08:10 AM
eisnerrv4 eisnerrv4 is offline
 
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Thumbs up Fuel Drained on my RV-4

Yesterday I went flying and during my preflight check I went to drain fuel out of my left tank to find that nothing was coming out. I had 33 litres or 8.8 US gallons in it after my last flight. My tank doesn't leak and there was no signs of Avgas leakage on the grass below the wing. At least the person had the decency to replace the gas cap. The cost of my 33 litres or 8.8 US gallons at the current rate was $69.76.

I'm pretty sure everyone does this but goes to show you that never assume you have fuel in your tanks before you go flying.

Has this ever happened to anyone else and can you get locking caps for the RV-4.

Thanks and safe flying everyone.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:19 AM
Sid Lambert Sid Lambert is offline
 
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Why bother with a locking cap for people stealing fuel? A 1/2" wrench and a can is faster, easier and you can keep your head down. I can see how a locking cap could keep someone from dumping water or other contaminates in the fuel though.
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:21 AM
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Default Locking caps

Brian, it sure is easy to drain the fuel by removing the drain fittings, but having said that, I added locking caps to my RV-6. I did it to prevent anyone from purposely contaminating my fuel, as well as for the lazy thief without a wrench.

The caps are Newton locking caps available from the Vans website, they Proseal into the stock openings. This also means it will restrict the size of the openings somewhat, which can prevent you filling when the nozzle is very large. I have not encountered a problem flying from Arlington to Oshkosh, so I wouldn't worry too much.

There do seem to be two versions of the Newton cap, the first one I got from Vans had the single O-ring around the top, they started to leak through the keyhole in flight at about the 3 year mark. I contacted Newton in England about a replacement O-ring, and they simply sent me three new caps with the new double O-ring, free of charge (I have one aux tank)!

When I contacted Vans to let them know about the leaking issue, they said they hadn't had any problems and were not going to address it. Hope this helps, Al.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:35 PM
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Thumbs up Locking Caps

I saw these caps on the Vans site today. I'll look into getting these also.

Thanks Al
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:46 PM
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Default Brian, all you can hope for

is that the lowlife jerk uses the fuel in his car. If it was 100 LL that it will ruin his catalytic converter and his vehicle won't pass pollution tests and it may make it run really loud. Listen for the sound and check who around the airport is selling a vehicle in a couple months real cheap? Good tip on always checking fuel, thanks and best regards, Bill of Georgia RV-8A Bluebird
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:45 PM
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[quote=eisnerrv4;680531]Yesterday I went flying and during my preflight check I went to drain fuel out of my left tank to find that nothing was coming out. QUOTE]

Brian,
I'm more worried about the tampering that is NOT obvious.

and Bill, excellent point about the lead.

I know that signs really don't work, but it can't hurt to placard the cap with
" contains heavily leaded fuel that will make everything from lawnmowers to race cars run like cr@p. Don't bother.
Tampering with aircraft is also a federal offense punishable by imprisonment for up to 25 years, or life if someone is injured. Think about it."

other deterrents?
- we installed a 360 degree video cam on a pole so that most of our tie-downs are visible, so at least you'd have some idea what they messed with.

and isn't it neat that most of this stuff happens behind 10' chain link fence with barbed-wire on top, and security in little cars driving around the perimeter.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:58 PM
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This is one of the reason I do not fill or add more fuel to my tanks after the flight. The OTHER is static electricity, can mess up a fellows day!
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:39 PM
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This is one of the reason I do not fill or add more fuel to my tanks after the flight. The OTHER is static electricity, can mess up a fellows day!
I have to comment but it totally OT.

Don, you joined the forum in 2005 and this was your first post?!?

You haven't been incapacitated due to a run in with some static electricity for 7 years have ya'?

Just teasing, welcome (back?) to the forum!
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:43 PM
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I once knew of a guy who used to regularly steal fuel from aircraft at night. Everybody knew he was doing it but nobody ever caught him.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:32 PM
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Default Another possibility

In my old RV-4, when the fuel selector was in the OFF position, no fuel would flow to the engine but fuel could flow from one tank to the other...
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