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Old 07-25-2006, 07:59 AM
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Interesting departure from older designs. Like the blade main gear, front gear looks robust, full span flaperons?, only oh, oh I see from the pix is the dreaded handbrake a la European designs. I could be wrong on this. Toe brakes please.

I like it.
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Old 07-25-2006, 08:31 AM
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Default Same Pictures, larger size, click on download at he top

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mdoyle...?.dir=/ee3dre2

When viewing the individual picture in the album, click on download and you will see a larger picture.

Ok Rudi?
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Old 07-25-2006, 09:17 AM
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Default Great photos!

Mike - Thanks for taking the time to put these up for all the rest of us who can't make it to Oshkosh.

Much appreciated.

DJ
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Old 07-25-2006, 10:49 AM
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Nice photos, Mike. It's cool you got some with Van in there admiring at his latest masterpiece. That really looks like a sweet little airplane. I like the new non-plastic wingtips, and the handle to help move the wings into the folded position. The folding wings is a really super feature. I hope it stays on the production model.
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Old 07-25-2006, 10:54 AM
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...I like the new non-plastic wingtips, and the handle to help move the wings into the folded position. The folding wings is a really super feature. I hope it stays on the production model.
Van has never mentioned folding wings for the RV-12. He has talked about removable, glider style, wings. Glider wings are typically removed completely and placed in fixtures in a trailer.
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Old 07-25-2006, 11:07 AM
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Thanks for those links, wow that Rans LSA plane is very nice indeed...the aluminum design and construction looks very advanced and well thought out, beautifully made parts. The overall similarities are amazing.
Although when I added up the kit prices.. I had to gulp... over $25K for the Rans kits...
Hopefully the RV-12 will come in about $13,000 complete.
Does that sound in the ballpark?
Rick
The RANs price includes seats, upholstery, FWF kit, engine gauges, prop, etc. A bit more than a typical Vans kit includes. I doubt a -12 would be a lot less, similarily equiped.
Both look like they would go together pretty quickly. Very cool.
I did notice that it looks like the RANs is using 6061-T6 while Vans appears to be 2024-T3 Alclad (which they certainly have a lot of laying around). Chris Heintz has always been a 6061 proponent.

Both remind me of the Pazmany PL2. Can't wait to see them.
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Old 07-25-2006, 11:41 AM
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I like the new non-plastic wingtips, and the handle to help move the wings into the folded position. The folding wings is a really super feature. I hope it stays on the production model.
Is the handle on the wingtip a dead give away that it's folding and not removable?

I see a few questions that would be great to have answered by someone who is there, hint , hint (Mike Doyle )

1) Removable or folding wings?
2) Tip up canopy, will a slider be an option?
3) Hand brake or toe?

Any more?

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Old 07-25-2006, 11:50 AM
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...only oh, oh I see from the pix is the dreaded handbrake a la European designs. I could be wrong on this. Toe brakes please.
I've flown LSA with both toe brakes (Evektor) and hand brakes (IndUS Thorpedo). The hand brake of the Thorpedo would better if it weren't such a reach. However, I don't like the "bike brake lever on the stick" style that the RV-12 seems to have - you don't often need the brake, so putting it on the stick doesn't make that much sense to me. Of course, YMMV
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Old 07-25-2006, 11:51 AM
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Default Questions for Van's at Oshkosh...

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Originally Posted by Mike Armstrong
I see a few questions that would be great to have answered by someone who is there (Mike )

1) Removable or folding wings?
2) Tip up canopy, will a slider be an option?
3) Hand brake or toe?

Any more?
Any chance of wing lockers as the 601XL has? I am curious about CG issues, with such a light craft as these LS are. Seems like a very wise option to place the weight of your bags closer to the center line vs. out back.
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Old 07-25-2006, 01:00 PM
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Default Folding/removable wings

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Is the handle on the wingtip a dead give away that it's folding and not removable?
I doubt it. Sorry if I sounded like I knew something. I would guess the wings are removable, not folding. Several of the European high-wing LSAs that I have seen are folding wings, so I just went with that term.

Removable wings on a low wing like the RV-12 and most gliders are easy to put on and take off by one person. I doubt that would be the case with a high wing, which is probably why all of that I have seen are all folding.

This kit will be Van's biggest seller, I'll bet. Sign me up for two!
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