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07-25-2006, 07:59 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Calgary, Canada
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Interesting departure from older designs. Like the blade main gear, front gear looks robust, full span flaperons?, only oh, oh I see from the pix is the dreaded handbrake a la European designs. I could be wrong on this. Toe brakes please.
I like it. 
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07-25-2006, 08:31 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Xenia, OH
Posts: 148
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Same Pictures, larger size, click on download at he top
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mdoyle...?.dir=/ee3dre2
When viewing the individual picture in the album, click on download and you will see a larger picture.
Ok Rudi? 
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RV-12
RV-9A, Under Construction
Xenia, OH 45385
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07-25-2006, 09:17 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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Great photos!
Mike - Thanks for taking the time to put these up for all the rest of us who can't make it to Oshkosh.
Much appreciated.
DJ
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07-25-2006, 10:49 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: LSGY
Posts: 3,200
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RV-12 photos
Nice photos, Mike. It's cool you got some with Van in there admiring at his latest masterpiece. That really looks like a sweet little airplane. I like the new non-plastic wingtips, and the handle to help move the wings into the folded position. The folding wings is a really super feature. I hope it stays on the production model.
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07-25-2006, 10:54 AM
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fugio ergo sum
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Carlsbad, NM
Posts: 1,912
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Originally Posted by rv8ch
...I like the new non-plastic wingtips, and the handle to help move the wings into the folded position. The folding wings is a really super feature. I hope it stays on the production model.
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Van has never mentioned folding wings for the RV-12. He has talked about removable, glider style, wings. Glider wings are typically removed completely and placed in fixtures in a trailer.
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Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
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07-25-2006, 11:07 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,347
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Originally Posted by RickS
Thanks for those links, wow that Rans LSA plane is very nice indeed...the aluminum design and construction looks very advanced and well thought out, beautifully made parts. The overall similarities are amazing.
Although when I added up the kit prices.. I had to gulp... over $25K for the Rans kits...
Hopefully the RV-12 will come in about $13,000 complete.
Does that sound in the ballpark?
Rick
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The RANs price includes seats, upholstery, FWF kit, engine gauges, prop, etc. A bit more than a typical Vans kit includes. I doubt a -12 would be a lot less, similarily equiped.
Both look like they would go together pretty quickly. Very cool.
I did notice that it looks like the RANs is using 6061-T6 while Vans appears to be 2024-T3 Alclad (which they certainly have a lot of laying around). Chris Heintz has always been a 6061 proponent.
Both remind me of the Pazmany PL2. Can't wait to see them.
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Venice, FL
RV-6A. Mattituck TMX O-360, FP, GRT Sport EFIS, L3 Lynx NGT-9000
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N184WM reserved (RV-8)....finishing kit in progress. Titan IOX-370
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07-25-2006, 11:41 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: near San Diego
Posts: 170
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Originally Posted by rv8ch
I like the new non-plastic wingtips, and the handle to help move the wings into the folded position. The folding wings is a really super feature. I hope it stays on the production model.
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Is the handle on the wingtip a dead give away that it's folding and not removable?
I see a few questions that would be great to have answered by someone who is there, hint  , hint  (Mike Doyle  )
1) Removable or folding wings?
2) Tip up canopy, will a slider be an option?
3) Hand brake or toe?
Any more?
Last edited by Mike Armstrong : 07-25-2006 at 02:17 PM.
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07-25-2006, 11:50 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Dallas, TX (ADS)
Posts: 2,180
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Originally Posted by rv6ejguy
...only oh, oh I see from the pix is the dreaded handbrake a la European designs. I could be wrong on this. Toe brakes please.
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I've flown LSA with both toe brakes (Evektor) and hand brakes (IndUS Thorpedo). The hand brake of the Thorpedo would better if it weren't such a reach. However, I don't like the "bike brake lever on the stick" style that the RV-12 seems to have - you don't often need the brake, so putting it on the stick doesn't make that much sense to me. Of course, YMMV 
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CTSW N621CT - SOLD but not forgotten
Home Bases LBX, BZN
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07-25-2006, 11:51 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 497
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Questions for Van's at Oshkosh...
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Originally Posted by Mike Armstrong
I see a few questions that would be great to have answered by someone who is there (Mike  )
1) Removable or folding wings?
2) Tip up canopy, will a slider be an option?
3) Hand brake or toe?
Any more?
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Any chance of wing lockers as the 601XL has? I am curious about CG issues, with such a light craft as these LS are. Seems like a very wise option to place the weight of your bags closer to the center line vs. out back.
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07-25-2006, 01:00 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: LSGY
Posts: 3,200
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Folding/removable wings
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Originally Posted by Mike Armstrong
Is the handle on the wingtip a dead give away that it's folding and not removable?
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I doubt it. Sorry if I sounded like I knew something. I would guess the wings are removable, not folding. Several of the European high-wing LSAs that I have seen are folding wings, so I just went with that term.
Removable wings on a low wing like the RV-12 and most gliders are easy to put on and take off by one person. I doubt that would be the case with a high wing, which is probably why all of that I have seen are all folding.
This kit will be Van's biggest seller, I'll bet. Sign me up for two!
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