VansAirForceForums  
Home > VansAirForceForums

- POSTING RULES
- Donate yearly (please).
- Advertise in here!

- Today's Posts | Insert Pics


Go Back   VAF Forums > Main > RV General Discussion/News
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-09-2012, 11:22 AM
redhawk redhawk is offline
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 191
Default Cowling pins

Greetings out there,
The cowling on my RV8 was fitted in such a way that the pins that pull the 2 halves together via the piano hinges are very hard to install (requiring a drilling of the pins in and a bit of hammering action!). I don't want to rebuild and repaint my cowling and someone suggested trying the smaller diameter pins (.063) vs the standard .090.
I'm concerned about the strength of these smaller diameter pins and would like to hear any opinions on this, or any other suggestions...
Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-09-2012, 12:18 PM
rvbuilder2002's Avatar
rvbuilder2002 rvbuilder2002 is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hubbard Oregon
Posts: 9,027
Default

Here is the basic philosophy on piano hinge, regardless of how it is being used.
If is under very much tension, with the addition of vibration, the hinge section will fail.

Guys that get great service out of the hinges on there cowl, are guys that end up with a great cowl installation.
I.E., when they put the top cowl in place, its hinges will snap in place in such a way that it looks like it is fully installed without even installing any of the hinge pins or the fwd screws.

The guys that will always be replacing broken hinges, are the guys who have to push/pull the cowl into position and/or fight to get the hinge pins installed
There are other factors, such as degree of vibration from prop imbalance, etc., but this is the biggest factor.

To your question... Smaller pins would probably be more than strong enough (considering the strength of the hinge material by itself), but I think you would be putting a band-aid on the real problem. Not to mention that you would then have a sloppy pin in all of the areas that the standard pin would have fit fine.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-09-2012, 12:50 PM
jthocker's Avatar
jthocker jthocker is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 1,060
Default

What Scott said is the absolute truth! What Scott described is what you should strive for, sometimes tough to attain on your first cowl though!
__________________
Jon Thocker
Habitual Offender
RV4, RV4, RV6A, RV8, RV8, RV8,RV8, RV8, RV8, RV12
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-09-2012, 05:50 PM
Darin Watson Darin Watson is offline
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 147
Default Hinge pins done right

I also have to agree that cowl done right, which mine was (though I was not the builder), are the best...until I had actually seen one not well done I could not figure out what all the complaining and angst was about. Mine slip in and out snug, but effortlessly, and "stitch" the halves nicely together that one can barely see a seam.

Please remember that even though there is only inches of WC pressure differential, multiplied on several square feet means at least a couple hundred pounds trying to blow top and bottom apart.

JMHO.
__________________
Regards,
Darin
C-GULF RV-7 located in Calgary, AB
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-09-2012, 05:59 PM
Mel's Avatar
Mel Mel is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
Posts: 10,762
Default Try This!

If your pins are difficult to insert, try this.

Take the top cowling off and try inserting the pin is each side of the top and each side of the bottom individually. As you insert the pin, look for restrictions. Very often you will find an "eye" that is out of alignment. Adjust that eye.

Once you can insert the pin easily in each side of the top and each side of the bottom, they should go in easily with the cowling halves together.

90% of the time this will fix it!

My pins have been removed and inserted many time in the last 19 years and I have never had a problem with them and have never experienced a broken hinge.
Good luck!
__________________
Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
<rvmel(at)icloud.com>
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-09-2012, 06:38 PM
Bill.Peyton's Avatar
Bill.Peyton Bill.Peyton is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 1,785
Default

Do what Mel says and then... Sometimes during construction a little epoxy works its way into one of the eyes. A quick fix is to run a drill bit through all the eyes. You have to twist it by hand, and it takes a while, but its a sure fire way to clean out the eyes from leftover paint and epoxy.....
__________________
Bill Peyton
RV-10 - 1125 hrs
N37CP
First Flight Oct 2012
Aviation Partners, LLC
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-09-2012, 10:15 PM
rv9av8tr's Avatar
rv9av8tr rv9av8tr is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 827
Default Cowl pin fit

After building my cowls, getting the side pins in was EXTREMELY tight. After the first engine run I didn't take the cowl off until the next day. It helped to "relax" the cowl fit. After a couple flights and letting the cowl completely cool before splitting, now the pins can be pulled and inserted by hand up to the last couple inches, yet still snug. Top and bottom lugs now snap together like a fitted glove.
__________________
Long-EZ built 1985 -> Sold 2007
RV-9A; N539RV First Flight: 7/2010
RV-8A N468DL 40 hr Flight Test Program
Building Log: www.mykitlog.com/n539rv
APRS Tracking: aprs.fi/n539rv
2017 Paid
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-09-2012, 11:12 PM
jay.pearlman jay.pearlman is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Port Angeles WA
Posts: 250
Default pins

Two comments - if you need to clean the holes in the hinges, take a long length of pin and flatten slightly the end using a hammer. This is like a drill bit and can help in cleaning holes.
I had everything fitting well and then added an air intake hose and now the pins are harder. Look what may be putting pressure on the cowl as it is being installed.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:21 AM.


The VAFForums come to you courtesy Delta Romeo, LLC. By viewing and participating in them you agree to build your plane using standardized methods and practices and to fly it safely and in accordance with the laws governing the country you are located in.