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04-22-2012, 01:36 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Stuart, FL /Hartford, CT/Virgin Gorda,BVI
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Builder Or Buyer
Van's Latest Thoughts post spurred my interest on the statistic that almost 50% of the recent fatal accidents were by purchasers, not builders. what is the percentage here? being a builders site the poll may favor the builder.
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RV6-A 5,200+ hrs, R-44 1,600 hrs, Helicycle 320 hrs, gyro sold,35,000 miles flown in 2015 
Stuart, Fl / S WINDSOR,Ct / Virgin Gorda, BVI - under major repair from hurricane damage
VAF #840 EAA AOPA FAC FABA QB SPA
addicted pickle ball player
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04-22-2012, 02:00 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton, Nevada --- A34
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No option for both
I think a lot of us have both bought and built. Many have bought while building.
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Louise Hose, Editor of The Homebuilder's Portal by KITPLANES
RV3B, NX13PL "Tsamsiyu" co-builder, TMXIO-320, test platform Legacy G3X/TruTrak avionics suite
RV-6 ?Mikey? (purchased flying) ? Garmin test platform (G3X Touch, GS28 autopilot servos, GTN650 GPS/Nav/Comm,
GNC255 Nav/Com, GA240 audio panel)
RV8, N188PD "Valkyrie" (by marriage)
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04-22-2012, 02:02 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: San Mateo, CA
Posts: 1,419
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Louise Hose
I think a lot of us have both bought and built. Many have bought while building.
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I think you can check both.
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04-22-2012, 02:46 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Lake Country, B.C. Canada
Posts: 2,416
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statistics never lie....they just....????
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbo
Van's Latest Thoughts post spurred my interest on the statistic that almost 50% of the recent fatal accidents were by purchasers, not builders. what is the percentage here? being a builders site the poll may favor the builder.
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I am all for safety, whether it is by proficiency checks, type ratings etc.
Seems to me the issue is pretty clouded without better stats; is the average builder better suited to deal with emergencies, or is he/she better at plane old stick & rudder, having flown the Phase I & II testing?
Some 'buyers' must be ex-air force or Mooney IFR drivers who are well able to handle an RV....so are the bulk of the accidents from low-time, lousy pilots who go out and make big smokin' holes?
..no doubt the truth lies somewhere in between. Even the insurance companies are left guessing, as evidenced by the strange risk ( price) variation, or lack of, in many cases!!!
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RV-9a - SOLD!....
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04-22-2012, 03:08 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
Posts: 2,182
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I helped my friends build several different RVs, including the one I'm in the process of buying now. Had enough airplane building and I just want to fly now
I've got about 100 PIC hours in tailwheel RVs now, so I think I'll do OK as a "buyer". The transition from spamcan to RV was to me a lot like learning how to fly an airplane all over again, so I can understand why the safety record for "buyers" is a little more negative. Glad I made it "over the hump" without bending any aluminum... or worse.
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Airplaneless once again...
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04-22-2012, 03:18 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Huskerland, USA
Posts: 5,862
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Louise Hose
I think a lot of us have both bought and built. Many have bought while building.
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+1
Buy a bargin, build what you want. 
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04-22-2012, 04:13 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
Posts: 12,887
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turbo
Van's Latest Thoughts post spurred my interest on the statistic that almost 50% of the recent fatal accidents were by purchasers, not builders. ...
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So then ~50% of the crashes are by builders.
It all comes down to the pilot, their attitude, and their approach to learning to fly a new aircraft. Unsafe pilots crash and burn in C-152's as easily as they can in a RV.
All the safety talk in the world won’t stop people from doing buzz jobs to a pull up and low altitude roll. Same as it is unlikely to stop people from running out of fuel or continuing on VFR into IMC. IF the pilot’s head is not in the right place then the plane can end up in the wrong place.
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Build the plane you want, not the plane others want you to build!
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04-22-2012, 04:33 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
Posts: 15,408
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What about someone who buys a project under way, but is the one to finish, and fly it??
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Mike Starkey
VAF 909
Rv-10, N210LM.
Flying as of 12/4/2010
Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011 
Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.
"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
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04-22-2012, 04:45 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Nashville TN
Posts: 19
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I'm a Buyer
I think that I am pretty handy with wrenches and assisting on maintenance, but I don't know if I really want to fly something I built.
I have owned (in order):
Beech Sierra
C-172
Half a flight school (owned 3 152's and leased 172s and a 182)
C-182
PA30 (1964 twin comanche) - a beautiful aircraft, that I still get to fly sometimes
M7-235C (Maule) - a true handful.. runs out of ailerons in stiff x/w
Now, an RV7
Miss the twin comanche as an instrument platform; love the RV7 so far.. have about 70 hours in it I believe... total time is somewhere over 1000 hours..
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04-22-2012, 06:33 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Destin
Posts: 1,543
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both, but builder before buyer
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