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Old 03-02-2012, 05:31 AM
DeltaRomeo DeltaRomeo is offline
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Post Economic Musings and Dreams of Low and Slow RV Flight (RV-15?)

...looking for 249 more names. Please read this, and email me if you are interested in getting your name on the list I'm compiling.

Thank you.

Doug Reeves (your host)
  • Full time: since '07 (started it in '96).
  • Typed in the EMB-505 (Phenom 300). Available for contract work. (flying resume).
  • Part time: Supporting Crew Member CAE EMB-505 Level D Sim @ KDFW.

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Old 03-02-2012, 05:57 AM
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I like it Doug, I think you have hit the nail on the head with this. Unfortunatly I need to finish airplane number 1 before I can commit to number 2. However as soon as the 7 if finished I will join that line around the block.

RV-7 N87DX Built, Flown, and Sold!
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:20 AM
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Put me on the list. I have about 600 hours with the wind in my hair, mostly in Phantom ultralights, and it is fun flying. I think you may be a little low on the initial cost, but the operating costs would be great. I would fly more if it were cheaper. There are things like this out there now, however. They just don't have the Van's name on them.

Bob Kelly, Scipio, Indiana
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:27 AM
Bob Axsom Bob Axsom is offline
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Default Flying slow is not a dream

It's a nightmare!

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Old 03-02-2012, 06:27 AM
RV10Man RV10Man is offline
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Add me to the list. And BTW, a Briggs Vanguard engine will fly an airplane. Inexpensively.

Marshall Alexander
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Old 03-02-2012, 07:18 AM
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Been to the Red Barn or Paradise City lately? Ghost towns, nothing like they once were. It's all gone. You see, two-seat "ultralight trainers" outsold single seat ultralights by about 10 to 1. When we bought into the Great Deal (drivers license medical for the practical elimination of two seat ultralights), it was the end.

Plenty of cheap single seat designs out there right now. Always has been. They don't sell.

BTW, cheap airframes are easy. Cheap flight is an engine problem.

POSTSCRIPT: Doug, I have a $1 bet for you. I say Vans has new design prelim work somewhere in progress, and it's electric.
Dan Horton
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Old 03-02-2012, 07:23 AM
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I think it's a great idea. I flew a Quad city Challenger for over 400 hrs and it was huge fun, although there are things I like and don't like about the design. Some points I really liked were the low operating costs, approx $20.00 per hour, float and ski capability and overall simplicity of this type of aircraft. I was always a little leery of the two stroke engine and did actually end up visiting a farmer unannounced one day. I think if an Ultra Light kit came from the Van's design team with the same qualities we've come to know with the other RVs, it would get noticed in a big way by this growing sector of the aviation community.

PS. did you draw that yourself [ed. Photoshop! dr]
Paul Tuttle
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Old 03-02-2012, 07:34 AM
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Default Sorry, I don't do single seat.

I've got lots of ultralight-type time. Used to be an ultralight instructor. It's a lot of fun.
After the crash of the Moni in 1986, Ann put her foot down.
Less than 5% of my flights are solo.
Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century. Over 1,000 certifications accomplished. Discount for Veterans, Law Enforcement, Fire Fighters.
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Old 03-02-2012, 07:38 AM
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Maybe I missed it but what is the proposed powerplant? [TBD. dr]
Brantel (Brian Chesteen),
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Old 03-02-2012, 08:08 AM
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Doug, I think you have a good idea. An idea that has been broached alot lately with the fuel prices soaring. Are you inventing a new ultralight? Personally, I think the next development isnt in airframe, or wings. It's in powerplants. INEXPENSIVE to buy, very reliable, ecomonical per hour, decent power. That development might be in electric, or electromagnetic drives or something (Paul Dye where are you?)

I think it would be neat to have something like this, that would cruise in the 130's, burn 2-3 gal/hr, and cost $10,000 turn key.
Ultralight costs with RV12 performance/
Ok I'm crazy--
Tom Swearengen, TS Flightlines LLC, AS Flightlines
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