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Old 11-12-2011, 07:36 AM
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The anti-splat modification is a case in point. If it does work as promised, it could add to the margin of safety of a competent pilot. My issue is the person that installs the mod and feels that the nosewheel is now invincible. And no, that isn't an exaggeration, I have heard that logic expressed.
Okay.....I see what you mean. I agree, it won't be invincible, as it's still going to bend at the top, if worst goes to worst. The margin of safety is eliminating a prop strike and possible pole vault action.........hopefully.

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Old 11-12-2011, 07:44 AM
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I recently was asked if I'd be interested in selling my RV 9A on line out of Barnstormers. When the subject of the flip over that occurred 8 years and 250 hours ago came up the potential buyer shied away saying any RV with damage history is going to be automatically worth 10 to 15K less regardless of the extent of damage and quality of repairs. I was really taken back the plane is a beautiful 9A with exceptionable workmanship. Anyone with any experience in attempting to sell their RV?
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:51 AM
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Damage history is tough to overcome. Usually price over comes it and that means a deep discount.

Back to the basics of this thread. Sorry for the thread drift.
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:41 AM
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The anti-splat modification is a case in point. If it does work as promised, it could add to the margin of safety of a competent pilot. My issue is the person that installs the mod and feels that the nosewheel is now invincible. And no, that isn't an exaggeration, I have heard that logic expressed.
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Thank You John:
I agree with you 100 percent! Our product was conceived solely with the intent of adding a small safety margin to the completely unexpected event that may fail the gear leg without it. Not to make the nose gear into something Caterpillar would take pride in. I am absolutely positive that were you to consult any of the pilots that found themselves in this unfortunate failure situation, if they expected it, the answer would be no. Unfortunately there isn't in existence a training venue that can teach to proficiency, landing the A model aircraft in a plowed field emergency, or in grass with unknown large pot holes and depressions. Not using a devise that can help just makes no sense, sort of like not wearing a seat belt because you are a good pilot. We sincerely hope no one places themselves in a situation that potentially could harm them or destroy property, based on having a "Nose Job" installed on their airplane. One who would do this should rethink their involvement in aviation. I do agree with and am glad John brought this issue up. Allan
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Old 11-12-2011, 09:32 AM
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I'd have to agree with some other posters here. On hard surfaced runways, avoiding nose gear problems is 99.9% about proper technique. I have hundreds of hard surface landings on my 6A and I've never even rubbed the nose fairing once and I have not even come close to touching down on the nose gear first- ever. You need to fly by the numbers and use a consistent technique on EVERY landing.

I don't land on grass and I don't even taxi on grass (hand pull only). One gopher or rabbit hole even at walking pace can fold the gear under some circumstances. I really slow down on asphalt if there is a big crack or mismatch in the pavement and always cross it at a tangent. Stick is always full aft when taxiing which helps unload the nose gear a few pounds with prop blast.

If you operate off grass, I would strongly consider the Anti Splat setup and if you have trouble with your landings it is an extra margin of safety on pavement too.

We must remember there are thousands of A models flying with hundreds of thousands of landings on them which have never folded the gear. Every one that has had a problem on asphalt was due to taxiing over something they shouldn't have or landing on the nose gear first or perhaps a severe shimmy issue (mitigated by proper tire pressure and fork breakout force).

These devices offer an extra measure of safety quite certainly when something goes wrong or if you operate off rough strips but I have no plans to install one on my 6A. I put these in the same category as stall warning or AOA devices. I already have an ASI and a GPS to crosscheck if need be. If you pay attention to these as you should be and follow a few other simple rules, you don't need another device. Again, in over 30 years of flying, I've never even come close to an inadvertent stall. So while I agree these things have a place, I also observe that people often want more stuff to protect them from improper technique and bad habits. Depending on the pilot and type of flying they do, not everyone needs these things.
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Old 11-12-2011, 09:47 AM
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I have to admit I'm not familiar with any other type where calculating the weight on the nosewheel is any factor whatsoever. Maybe they exist, I don't know.
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Old 11-12-2011, 11:36 AM
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BIG -1 for me

At the end of the day I think it's a very week link and needs to be fixed.
Stuff happens and there should be some margin...
I would rather drive a car with air bags then the same car without if I had a choice, especially if I have family in the car.
Doesn't mean I am a bad driver, because some days things go pear shape.
Its like car insurance. Just because I feel like I am a good driver doesn't mean I don't need it..........
Justin, You need to exercise caution when editing quotes. by removing two words from my statement you changed the meaning completely.

I said: Bluntly, I'm getting tired of people trying to fix incompetence with technology.

You quoted it as: Bluntly, I'm getting tired of people trying to fix incompetence

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Old 11-12-2011, 09:54 PM
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Sorry,

Missing two words, my bad...... Still means the same thing. With or without technology.

If I can make something better or increase a safety margin With technology because of maybe my lack of ability...... I will....
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Old 11-13-2011, 04:54 AM
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Sorry,

Missing two words, my bad...... Still means the same thing. With or without technology.

If I can make something better or increase a safety margin With technology because of maybe my lack of ability...... I will....
I agree with both sides. Hate the "technology" added to my power devices to keep me from picking up my lawn mower and using it as a hedge trimmer but love the anti-lock brakes on my car. On my RV I have not added any "technology" to the engine as it is still the same as Lycoming made 50 years ago. Maybe there is some "technology" that will improve on the safety margin of the engine but I have not seen it yet (your thoughts may vary). I do love the GPS "technology" and my iPad as I think it increases my safety margin with navigation and weather.
Add "technology" where needed and don't where not. All opinions will vary but when it comes right down to it, you are the single most important part of saving your bacon. That may include your decision to add "technology" to give you more margin.
Just remember that nothing makes you invincible.
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Old 05-07-2012, 01:32 PM
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...Our new "Nose Job Kit" has been pretty well tested since its conception. They have saved several prop strikes, subsequent engine tear downs and God knows how much if any carnage. This is intended to increase the safety margin if and when you need it. If you operate off of hard surface only and never make a mistake you most likely will not need this improvement. Ask yourself this! If I am cruising along in all of my perfection of technique and suddenly, i hear a big bang, it gets real quiet up front and an off field landing on a plowed field is eminent. Do I wish I had made the small investment in a "Nose Job" at this point? If you haven't purchased one of these kits already you may want to take another look at this and our other safety related products. All landings aren't planed and when faced with this situation I can pretty much guarantee you will want everything you can get between you and the ground. Regards all, Allan... AntiSplatAero.com
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