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07-07-2011, 07:51 AM
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I have experienced exactly the same situation several times while flying our Baron 58 and found a solution that works 100% of the time... Go to AOPA or any other free chart service that allows you to upload PDF files. open and save them to be open using I books. (I use an Ipad 2) Once saved, you can put them in any order you want and retrieve them as needed....no internet connection, no need to pay foreflight anymore either.... if you use the WIFI only Ipad, this is the best and most cost effective solution. it is labor intense but not any worse than your normal trip preparation should be anyway...
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07-07-2011, 08:08 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Minneapolis
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Originally Posted by w1curtis
If you have a 3G iPad and utilize the internal GPS, you do NOT want to put it in airplane mode. Airplane mode also disables the GPS, you should instead manually disable WiFi and cellular data.
The WiFi only iPad does not have a built in GPS so with that model you can use Airplane mode.
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Absolutely correct. I sort of grayed those two together without explanation....
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07-07-2011, 08:19 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Portland, OR
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iPad lock ups
Numerous times I seen my iPad2 "lock up" and not be able to access features. Down powering the unit (hold the sleep key until power down screen comes on), leave it off for a minute, then boot it up again. That has always fixed any problems.
A couple days ago this happened to me in the air on an IFR flight. Discovered when GPS position on the chart wasn't updating. I was not a happy camper.
A person should down power it just before using it in the airplane to mitigate a lock up in the air.
I'm thinking there appears to be some instability in the current OS.
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07-07-2011, 09:17 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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If you have not opened or downloaded the chart(s) before takeoff, you will probably not have it in flight. Make sure you have downloaded everything you need prior to takeoff. Otherwise you might not get a 3G signal while flying and the program can't download the data you need at that critical point.
I fly a lot with my iPad and Foreflight so i download all the charts, maps and AFD all the time. It is better to have them and not need them, than need them and not have them. Besides they don't take up that much memory.

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07-07-2011, 09:26 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by w1curtis
If you have a 3G iPad and utilize the internal GPS, you do NOT want to put it in airplane mode. Airplane mode also disables the GPS, you should instead manually disable WiFi and cellular data.
The WiFi only iPad does not have a built in GPS so with that model you can use Airplane mode.
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AFAIK the airplane mode does NOT disable the GPS in the 3G models. The iPad uses the 3G to make initial GPS position calculation faster but it has a completely independent real GPS chip built in so it does not need the 3G to work.
I fly a lot with my 3G iPad 1 and always use the airplane mode since it seems to access the data faster that way. 
Last edited by GalinHdz : 07-07-2011 at 09:33 AM.
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07-07-2011, 10:22 AM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Canal Winchester, Ohio
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This might be a good time to start this discussion about using the Ipad
for approach charts. A friend was doing a IFR check ride in a Cirrus
and was doing his final approach and the examiner took his Ipad and turned it off and then put it in the back seat. He then asked him were was his backup paper charts. He had none. The instructor then asked him were was the nearest VFR weather he did not know. He was under the hood. He did not pass. The examiner said that you still need to carry paper with you to be legal.
This has been a big discussion at my airport the last month.
Also another friend had lunch with one of our local FAA people and they said
that for IFR to be legal you must have either 2 Ipads or charts available
in your PFD display. This was for part 91 not 135 they were talking about.
They say you still need to have the paper back-up or 2 EFB.
FWIW
Geoff
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07-07-2011, 10:24 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Carbondale, Co
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TFR's
I've been comparing WingX to Foreflight and noticed that Foreflight does not locate TFR's on the charts. WingX does locate TFR's on their charts and I have found this to be immensely helpful. Is this truly the way Foreflight operates or is there a way to display TFR's?
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07-07-2011, 10:29 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ft Myers, FL
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Two questions:
1) Are you folks using the GPS dongle with your iPad or just using the internal GPS in the iPad?
2) What if you have a dual Garmin G3X system and an iPad, does that give the redundancy that the examiner wants?
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07-07-2011, 10:38 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Tampa, FL
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Grrrrrrrrrr.......
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Originally Posted by Aerosport1
This might be a good time to start this discussion about using the Ipad
for approach charts. A friend was doing a IFR check ride in a Cirrus
and was doing his final approach and the examiner took his Ipad and turned it off and then put it in the back seat. He then asked him were was his backup paper charts. He had none. The instructor then asked him were was the nearest VFR weather he did not know. He was under the hood. He did not pass. The examiner said that you still need to carry paper with you to be legal.
This has been a big discussion at my airport the last month.
Also another friend had lunch with one of our local FAA people and they said
that for IFR to be legal you must have either 2 Ipads or charts available
in your PFD display. This was for part 91 not 135 they were talking about.
They say you still need to have the paper back-up or 2 EFB.
FWIW
Geoff
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 Here we go again, FAA folks not knowing their own regs. Have them read AC 91.78. It clearly states that an EFB does not need paper or electronic backups of any kind for IFR or VFR part 91 ops.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...AC%2091_78.pdf
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07-07-2011, 12:21 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Eastern, PA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GalinHdz
AFAIK the airplane mode does NOT disable the GPS in the 3G models. The iPad uses the 3G to make initial GPS position calculation faster but it has a completely independent real GPS chip built in so it does not need the 3G to work.
I fly a lot with my 3G iPad 1 and always use the airplane mode since it seems to access the data faster that way. 
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I think you should verify that. Even the current version of Foreflight will prompt you to turn off Airplane mode when you start it with Airplane mode turned on.
The iPad/iPhone GPS engine is part of the 3G chipset and Airplane Mode is a big switch that shuts it all (3G/GPS & WiFi) down. Yes it is a "real" GPS but still part of the 3G chipset. I think all the discussions about WiFi positioning, A-GPS verses "real" GPS has got you turned around. If it was completely independent, there would be a GPS in the WiFi only iPad.
Airplane mode "seems to access the data faster"? --really? This is a new one and there is absolutely no reason this should be so. But then perception is a subjective thing --kind of like your airplane flies faster when you use Goodyear as opposed to Michelin tires.
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