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Old 04-12-2011, 02:28 PM
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Default primer for cowling

good morning,

after i sent some pictures of my 7-project home to my buddies and co-workers in germany, everybody was laughing about the colour of the cowling. i don't know how of all things the delivered cowl has to be like that. anyway... that pink has to go away! ...before somebody gets doubts about the sexual orientation of the builder.

thing is... i want to prime it grey. i have really no idea about the paint scheme that bird later maybe gets. it should be easy to apply (rattle cans) and should stick well to provide good adhesion for the paint later.

any recommendations. what primer did you guys use for the cowl and other fiberglass parts?

thank you
Kay
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Old 04-12-2011, 02:55 PM
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Default Before primer...check this out

I followed this link (VAF discussion somewhere) and my cowl came out great. Bet you can't find the one or two pinholes I missed.

http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages...kimcoating.htm

Next, follow this link for priming. If you prime first you will discover the amazing amount of pinholes almost invisible to the naked eye.

http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages...25_priming.htm

Final paint:



I realize you just want to spray away the pink cowl color but you should at the very least use link #1 to make sure the surface is smooth and free of pinholes.

Turned out good for me anyway (IMHO),

Gary
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Old 04-12-2011, 03:54 PM
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Bet you can't find the one or two pinholes I missed.


Wow! That one pinhole looks big enough to be an AIR SCOOP! You might want to do more work on it!
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Old 04-12-2011, 05:52 PM
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Don't use rattle cans. Go to an auto paint store and buy high build primer and it's activator. Buy a cheap large nozzle spray gun at Harbor Fright. Hose the cowling. Don't worry about runs; nearly all the primer eventually gets sanded off. Many applications will be required to create a pin-hole free surface, but one coat gets rid of the pink.

I thin any residual epoxy (West Systems) left in the cup after lay-ups with alcohol so it's watery, then brush onto the cowling's inside surface. Several coats will effectively seal the pores against oil drips, but it will still be pink.

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Old 04-13-2011, 05:52 AM
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Wow! That one pinhole looks big enough to be an AIR SCOOP! You might want to do more work on it!
Yea, that's one of the ones I'm talking about Gunny. Now find the other one....LOL

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Old 04-13-2011, 12:30 PM
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Default Fill first

Kay,
Unfortunately, there is NO quick fix for the cowl. You can spray the inside with primer just to make it gray if you want, but you have to do a fair amount of filling on the outside before the primer goes on.

I don't think its wise to prime before filling. I think the best adhesion comes from the filler on the bare glass.

My approach is as follows.
Spread a good quality glazing putty (like MetalGlaze) over the entire outside of the cowl with a spreader. This fills all of the craters!
Sand if off (mostly, should really just be filling the big holes).
Shoot 3 coats of PPG K36 high build primer.
Sand to a smooth finish.

This is how I prepped the 8's cowl and the only other thing on it is a coat of epoxy primer, black base coat and clear. None of that will "help fill". If its not smooth before the paint, it will be worse after the paint.

You are now ready for further paint work, and the dreaded pink is covered up.

I think Vans must have done this to discourage people that were flying the glass un-painted.

Sure works!


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good morning,

after i sent some pictures of my 7-project home to my buddies and co-workers in germany, everybody was laughing about the colour of the cowling. i don't know how of all things the delivered cowl has to be like that. anyway... that pink has to go away! ...before somebody gets doubts about the sexual orientation of the builder.

thing is... i want to prime it grey. i have really no idea about the paint scheme that bird later maybe gets. it should be easy to apply (rattle cans) and should stick well to provide good adhesion for the paint later.

any recommendations. what primer did you guys use for the cowl and other fiberglass parts?

thank you
Kay
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Old 04-14-2011, 08:51 AM
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thanks for the replies!

ok, i think i will try the PPG K36 route. i have a cheap spray gun from harbour freight laying around that i never used. hopefully this will do the job after filling the pinholes.

Kay
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Old 04-14-2011, 12:59 PM
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The cheap gun wll work fine. The K36 doesn't have to go on very smooth, since you will be sanding it.

Make sure you spend plenty of time filling the holes first. The K36 will NOT fill all of those big craters. They need to be filled with glazing putty by hand first.
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Old 04-14-2011, 01:28 PM
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Default Hmmm!

Your in a rush to spay the cowl because its pink and your friends laughed at it??
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Old 04-14-2011, 05:38 PM
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Just be glad your toenails aren't pink.
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