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Old 04-02-2011, 06:12 PM
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Default Landing RV's and pickup trucks-A theory

Gents,

I am by no means an experience RV pilot. With only about 40 hours combined solo or with an instructor I have noticed something that pleasantly surprised me. I always seem to flare to just inches above the ground, not feet (runway width independent)

As mentioned I don't have much experience, I am not a natural stick and rudder guy. My flying 25+ years ago was in C-152/172's. So why am I able to judge the flare height so consistently?

Here is my theory. I have been driving a F-150 2WD pickup for over the past 10 years. I measured my head height from the ground in my truck and measured the head height from the ground in my RV-7A. The heights were very close (within a inch or so). So my driving sight picture in my F-150 is almost identical to my taxing sight picture in my RV-7A.

I conclude that driving my F-150 for years created a memorized sight/height picture that has helped me to flare at the right heights when landing. I have mentioned this to a few new RV pilots who drive full size pickups and they too have been surprised with their flare height.

Just a theory, any new RV pilots out there buy into this?

Food for thought.
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:31 PM
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Paul, it's pretty amazing that you brought that up. I too drive an F150 (1997) and have wondered how "the picture" in the truck matches that of my 7A. I haven't ever measured but it does seem that the seats are close to the same height. The only thing that could make the picture different is the view over the cowl vs hood. I had actually thought about putting something on my truck dash that would simulate the same height as the glare shield compared to eye level.
I bet there are a lot of builders that dream of that "full-throttle" moment as he 'takes-off' for work. Hey, I've even practiced my initial ground / tower contact using my N-number (reserved of course).
I'll let you know how your theory works out some day....maybe this year.
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Old 04-03-2011, 06:25 AM
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Old 04-03-2011, 07:46 AM
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Default You may have found something

My son has a 4X4 and he flares high......LOL
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Old 04-03-2011, 08:19 AM
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I guess I'm out of luck with my lifted Cummins. makes sense tho.
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Old 04-03-2011, 08:24 AM
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Maybe I can replace the rear wheels on my F-150 for small ones and get a headstart on tailwheel training.
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Old 04-03-2011, 10:23 AM
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I had trouble with the flare height when doing my transition training. I was used to landing our C-180 on 185 gear, and consistently flared at the height I did in the 180. After a few bounces, I figured it out.
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Old 04-03-2011, 12:56 PM
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Pity those with Miatas or Vettes...
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Old 04-03-2011, 02:29 PM
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OK, I'm going to be a horror for my transition training instructor. I drive a Ford F350 dually farm vehicle ! :-)
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Old 04-04-2011, 11:32 AM
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Oh, Oh, I've got a Ram 3500 4X4.
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