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Old 08-27-2010, 11:25 AM
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Really??? The flap handle takes up that much space?? There isn't that much space between the seats anyway, it takes up the space of a water bottle.
You must have a very skinny water bottle.
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Old 08-27-2010, 11:36 AM
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Really??? The flap handle takes up that much space?? There isn't that much space between the seats anyway, it takes up the space of a water bottle.
And, depending on who the passenger is a cheap feel might be worth it.
It could be a cheap feel, or a maneuver through layers of fat. First push in, then pull up! And to do this, you have to remove your hand from the throttle as you're making adjustments for landing. In fact, you could go through this process two or three times, just for one landing!

And for manual trim, there are cases where you gotta like someone's hairy legs....

I'll stick with my electric flap switch next to the throttle and elec. trim on the joystick.

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Old 08-27-2010, 12:20 PM
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Back to the original point of the thread. We all have items in our airplanes that are somewhat unique or different. The key is learning them all and applying them effectively. I think the whole key to this event was that he didn't recognize what was happening in the seat of his pants and thus did not realize what he had done. I don't necessarily think that his setup is to blame but his lack of experience. Which we have all had at some point. We all learn from our experience and that of others around us. Some practice at altitude with flaps and pitch may be the most useful thing to do to see how the plane reacts thus if something else like this occurs he will recognize it before it gets scary.
Au contraire mon fraire!

I am going to refute your supposition here. I feel it was exactly because of my experience that I recognized what was going on with the airplane. It was just not registering with me at the time WHY it was doing what it was doing. That experience told me what to do without much conscious thought on my part. Without really thinking about my actions, as the plane slowed down and pitched up, I instinctively pushed the stick forward to get the nose down. The reality is, I was performing these actions before my conscious brain even acknowledged something odd was going on.

I contribute that action to the EXPERIENCE I have learned over the years and, as I wrote in my original post, to the training I have received.

Now, I am sure when looking at my experience compared to, say, a military jock, or any of you old time aviators with multi-thousands of hours flying, my "time in seat" flying is going to be pretty minimal in comparison. However, I don't believe EXPERIENCE should only be measured in terms of "time in seat".

I believe my experience flying in general is pretty good, that my intelligence is such that in a given situation I am going to be able to think through the problem and that, again from the list at the end of my OP, I am going to make every effort to learn from every experience I encounter. This all has just as much to do with EXPERIENCE as does "time in seat".

Perhaps your statement was alluding to my "lack of experience" with this airplane. If that was your meaning, then I do agree with you. I only have about 24 hours of experience flying this particular airplane. I am indeed learning something new about it every day I fly it.

Again, as I mentioned in my original post, I wanted to post my experience for therapeutic reasons for myself, and so that others may take something positive from reading about this incident. I most definitely was not intending to create a debate about whether or not to:

place flap controls on a stick grip vs the panel
OR
whether manual vs electric flaps are better.

I do have a switch on the panel between the throttle and the mixture knobs in addition to the stick and I like both manual and electric flaps. I have flown behind both and feel perfectly comfortable using either one. As for the placement of the flap switch in close proximity to the trim switch, I do agree these two could stand to be separated better but the reality is the Infinity grip is really not that bad of a lay out. If I can get a limit switch in place on the flap switch I will be very satisfied with its configuration.

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Old 08-27-2010, 12:59 PM
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And to do this, you have to remove your hand from the throttle as you're making adjustments for landing.
But on the other hand, I NEVER have to take my hand off the throttle to adjust the prop!

Sorry; I couldn't resist.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:03 PM
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Being a low time student pilot I REALLY like that flap handle in the center on the LSA's I have flown, I am a bigger guy so I feel it pressing against my leg if it is up, kind of a reminder to raise flaps when I take off as it is pressing into my leg and a reminder they are down when on approach.

Now if I could just get the parking brake repositioned so that I didn't have to take my harness off to reach it
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:09 PM
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Steve, your post allows a nice discussion of various topics. I probably won't convince you to change to manual flaps and frankly it does not matter to me. Tis your choice.

But you did learn of a modification that should improve your current stick operated flap function. That alone should make the post worth it to you.

Others can read the comments and incorporate ideas as they see fit....even if they are wrong and disagree with my position
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:36 PM
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Steve, your post allows a nice discussion of various topics. I probably won't convince you to change to manual flaps and frankly it does not matter to me. Tis your choice.

But you did learn of a modification that should improve your current stick operated flap function. That alone should make the post worth it to you.
Agree 100%

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Others can read the comments and incorporate ideas as they see fit....even if they are wrong and disagree with my position
ROFLOL Now that is funny! Just the act of disagreeing with you makes one wrong? I like it!
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:46 PM
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It is not needed to have a HOTAS setup - obviously since most planes are not set up this way. It does however, definitively reduce workload. Not that moving your hand off the stick to actuate flaps is a big deal (electric or manual) but having functions available without moving your hands is a workload reduction and when the unexpected occurs, reducing workload is a good thing.

So I'm really dumb cause I have all of my buttons functional on my infinity grip plus a starter switch wired into the throttle and so far I love it.

On the stick: I have Flap, Trim (pitch/aileron), PTT, Auto-Pilot, Freq Swap, and Landing/Taxi lights. In fact, I have both front and rear sticks wired identically.

Operation by these couple of simple rules:

1. No fast hands in the cockpit

and

2. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

anybody who says its dumb, is dumber
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:47 PM
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I tried to make mine simple. I figured I'd do the same thing if I had too many switches. I put the flap switch right above the throttle. I can run them down with my hand on the throttle.

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Old 08-27-2010, 02:29 PM
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I tried to make mine simple. I figured I'd do the same thing if I had too many switches. I put the flap switch right above the throttle. I can run them down with my hand on the throttle.

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Hey Tony! Those seats look very familiar. I have the exact same color scheme for my seats. Are those from Classic Aero?

Also, I like that fire extinguisher and the location. Can you supply details on what model it is and how you mounted it?
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