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11-22-2010, 07:31 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2010
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TK: What you said makes a lot of sense. My CFII typically had multiple touch and go's on one flight plan, but we were in the middle of America with little traffic to deal with. Northern California is a different story.
The airport I had grief over was columbia, ca...O22... and you're right, I was en route to another airport as well (Fresno). I can understand atc not wanting to bother with it now, and will just file separate flight plans in the future. Thanks for the info...
I'm looking at a flight to monterey this week. It's basically the recommended duats route: (just west of sacramento to SFO, then south to monterey.)
KEDU EMBAR REBAS SFO OSI SANTY SNS KMRY
I'd like to give the family something interesting to look at down the coast, hence the coastal route. Any thoughts?
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11-23-2010, 06:42 AM
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Chris....if DUATS has a recommended route, you can bet that the controller won't modify it to allow you to sight see. My thoughts are...if you can see anything...go VFR on that same plan. If you read posts from last week you will see that if you file IFR, get airborne, cancel and go VFR, then you will have a high likelyhood of remaining in the ATC computer and then you would get following the entire way with handoffs. If the weather doesn't cooperate you could always request to go back to IFR.
As I mentioned earlier...the word "recommended" used by DUATS is only to protect themselves from any fallout in case ATC would clear you differently...but realistically you will get that clearance 99.9% of the time. The controller will not clear you differently because you ask or want to sight-see. These routes are established to seperate airplanes. If you want to deviate from the route you COULD ask but I doubt they would allow it. Reason being is that they are responsible for keeping you away from other aircraft...when you cancel and go VFR, you remove a lot of the controller's responsibilty and they will be more willing to "work" with you.
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11-23-2010, 06:45 AM
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Oh...one more thing....I am unsure of the rules by which you are governed as an IFR pilot...but if you can....lose the K in front of the airport identifier. I hate them.  On the same note...nothing bugs me more than a VFR pilot telling me his destination as "Kilo Alpha Bravo Charlie"....it's such a waste of valuable frequency time.
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11-23-2010, 07:15 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
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what if the field VOR is not really near the field........example of that was recently tried to file from a VOR fix, duat converted it to the k identifier...that was annoying to get clearance on
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11-23-2010, 07:34 AM
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BK...you got me there. I suspect all software will try to convert to a "K". Even in ADDS you have to add the K to get what you want. I just hate the extra K if it is not needed. If I amend a flight plan it is one more letter I have to type. Many times I will forget to include it and the computer will rudely remind me something is not quite right. Part of the reason I am not very fond of the "K". The only time I feel it is necessary is when going from 1 country to another....otherwise, get rid of it.
I suppose this is a "personal" issue that I will have to overcome. 
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11-23-2010, 12:07 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tkatc
BK...you got me there. I suspect all software will try to convert to a "K". Even in ADDS you have to add the K to get what you want. I just hate the extra K if it is not needed. If I amend a flight plan it is one more letter I have to type. Many times I will forget to include it and the computer will rudely remind me something is not quite right. Part of the reason I am not very fond of the "K". The only time I feel it is necessary is when going from 1 country to another....otherwise, get rid of it.
I suppose this is a "personal" issue that I will have to overcome. 
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How about if the same identifier is used for a VOR and an airport like "SAC". Wouldn't that create confusion if "K" is omitted?
In the few times I have flown to Monterey from PVF, I have never got the clearance as filed 
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11-23-2010, 12:46 PM
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Bavafa....I don't think omitting it would cause confusion....you're not landing on the VOR are you?
And if you remember what they gave you from point A to point B in the past...it probably won't change much the next time...if at all. If you file the route you were given in the past...the next clearance should be as filed. 
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11-23-2010, 08:21 PM
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Bavafa: I'm flying to monterey on Thursday for the first time...any pointers? should be an easy flight from Davis (EDU...notice I left off the K!! haha  ) going over SFO then south, victor airways the entire way. should be a great flight.
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11-23-2010, 10:05 PM
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Chris,
My pointer for Monterey: if you have an alternate airport, you can save the landing fee. I was going into Watsonville a few weeks ago and it was clouded in so I landed at Monterey to wait it out for a half hour or so and had to really haggle with the snooty FBO there (can't remember which one, but obviously for the "beautiful people" with way lots more $$ than me and on the S side of the runways) to temporarily park on the ramp for a half hour without paying the $20 fee. I certainly will look for alternatives next time.
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11-23-2010, 10:47 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2010
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That's so ridiculous...I found the same thing in Santa Barbara. Is there somewhere I can find out this info before leaving on a cross country? Or is it a matter of just calling each fbo and seeing what they say? I was so disgusted with the attitude at SBA FBO (I forget the name but it wasn't atlantic) I turned around and left. This was after the counter lady "did me such a huge favor" by waiving the $30 or so fee. Give me a break. I couldn't believe there wasn't ANYWHERE on the field where I could stop and file a new flight plan.
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Originally Posted by Greg Arehart
Chris,
My pointer for Monterey: if you have an alternate airport, you can save the landing fee. I was going into Watsonville a few weeks ago and it was clouded in so I landed at Monterey to wait it out for a half hour or so and had to really haggle with the snooty FBO there (can't remember which one, but obviously for the "beautiful people" with way lots more $$ than me and on the S side of the runways) to temporarily park on the ramp for a half hour without paying the $20 fee. I certainly will look for alternatives next time.
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