Pmag experiences,combined threads

[woxofswa]

If one were planning on an emag/pmag installation, and wiring up the starter switch, must you jumper the R to the GND or not?

TIA

[videobobk]

Originally Posted by woxofswa

If one were planning on an emag/pmag installation, and wiring up the starter switch, must you jumper the R to the GND or not?

TIA

Negative. You want both firing, so there should be no ground to the right mag on start. Time them together also.

As to reliability, I have never had a serious problem with my P/E-Mags. I had a mag failure on a 172 once, and the Slick I took off when I added the P-Mag (right side, after having an E-Mag for a year on the left) failed less than ten hours later in a Tomahawk. Just because it has been around since the dawn of time doesn't make it reliable.

Bob

[lostpilot28]

Originally Posted by videobobk

Negative. You want both firing, so there should be no ground to the right mag on start. Time them together also.

As to reliability, I have never had a serious problem with my P/E-Mags. I had a mag failure on a 172 once, and the Slick I took off when I added the P-Mag (right side, after having an E-Mag for a year on the left) failed less than ten hours later in a Tomahawk. Just because it has been around since the dawn of time doesn't make it reliable.

Bob

+1

(or 2 if you count both my P-mags).

[N941WR]

Originally Posted by woxofswa

If one were planning on an emag/pmag installation, and wiring up the starter switch, must you jumper the R to the GND or not?

TIA

Myron,

You can down load the manual from there site.
http://www.emagair.com/Manual%20LC114v9.pdf

[frankh]

Sounds like an intermittent connection somewhere. If the same two plugs are the ones that are fouling than I would SUsPECT poorly made HT leads.

A number of folk had issues with the green connector and not landing the wires right..like clamping down on the insulation and not the wire..Easy to do.

Or poor grounding etc.

I honestly don't think you have a bad Pmag but quite possible of course.

Mine have been great for 400 hours or so.

Frank

[N131RV]

Originally Posted by videobobk

and the Slick I took off when I added the P-Mag (right side, after having an E-Mag for a year on the left) failed less than ten hours later in a Tomahawk. Just because it has been around since the dawn of time doesn't make it reliable.

Bob

Yeah, but, the there are multiple dealers for Slick and most not only answer the phone, they would also ship next day for a replacement. I'm STILL waiting for a callback from Emagair.

Reliability is not all about hardware. It's a total package. The best hardware in the world is useless without support.
For instance, if it does turn out to be faulty plug wire, I currently have no way to get replacement parts until I can contact someone at Emagair. I suppose I could run down to the local auto parts store and take my chances. I found no online source for 8mm 160ohm per foot spiral plug wire (and boy have I searched). I suppose any old MSD wire and boots would do, but that's NOT THE POINT.
I need SUPPORT, not excuses from well meaning "fans". Sorry for the rant, but I'm about 2 inches from an emergency PMAG-ectomy. AND I MAKE NO APOLOGY.

[erich weaver]

Your frustration is understandable, but review of the many threads on pmags on this forum will indicate that while folks have questioned the product in the past, service has been quite good. I think you have caught them at a bad time and being a small company, that has impacted their service to you. They do have a growing fan base now, myself included. If you must have answers now, do what you must, but I would encourage you to be as patient as possible. There are a substantial number of folks who like this product.

erich

[N131RV]

Originally Posted by erich weaver

I think you have caught them at a bad time and being a small company, that has impacted their service to you. T
erich

It's three times in a row that I've "caught them at a bad time". Took them about 5 days to return my call when I wanted to order. Then the order shipped late (but no notification). So it arrived about 7 days late.

5 Days for a return call when I had the first indication of a problem.

They had all day today to return my call. No call. Maybe I'll get some action tomorrow (maybe not). They have shown a consistent lack of response (to me).

My aircraft is part of my livelihood. Being down for multiple days with no sign of support is simply not acceptable. Maybe it would be for you. If so, more power to you. If I don't have some form of satisfaction by the end of tomorrow, PMAG will be history in my life. I need my airplane back in the air, not sitting on the ground waiting for a call that may or may not come this week.

[nucleus]

It is a relatively new product. Maybe won't have dealer that can service ever, different business model.

I had serious issues with one of mine at 96 hours, but I still fly two of them. They turned them around the same day and said that the one that lost its timing had been overheated by 17 degrees. I restarted my trouble-free hours clock after that incident and I have about 40 trouble-free hours since.

It sounds like you have a wiring problem, not a pmag problem. One observation I have on pmag problems is that I there seems to be a common factor of HEAT. The Cards in Texas with multiple problems, and my experience after flying in severe heat.

If you are going to roll your own wires Magnacore is a great brand. You will be happy with auto plugs, I recommend NGK BR8 EIX's.


Hans

[Bob Martin]

Originally Posted by N131RV

My aircraft is part of my livelihood. Being down for multiple days with no sign of support is simply not acceptable.

Joe,
I feel your pain and have been following this thread with interest. I, like many others I'm sure would love to have P-mags but are still on the fence about them actually being better/more reliable than well cared for mags.

But, maintenance is actually on "us" and the harder it is to get parts or service the more we keep spares on hand. like: I keep spare mags on hand and tail-wheels and sparkplugs and tons of nuts and bolt etc. Plus I just fly for fun, so if my RV-6 was part of my livelihood, I would keep even more spares!

Good Products don't always come with good support!
Just a thought to give you a different perspective on the situation.
I wish you well on the resolution of your issues with the P-mag install.