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Old 01-26-2006, 02:40 PM
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Default Roll your own AWOS

Looking for some information on building your own type of AWOS sytem for our local airport. A group of us pilots are looking at adding this feature for our own saftey and interests and it will not be an "official" site.

Any person or club built one?

Thanks

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Old 01-26-2006, 03:30 PM
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Default personal weather stations

Haven't built one myself, but here's a starting point:

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/index.asp

Hope this helps,
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Old 01-26-2006, 09:48 PM
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Default What is AWOS, just kidding

I guess if software and hardware setup like what Dan suggest has a voice synthesizer to repeat the data, all that is needed is a radio.

Now that is two too many IF's.

The second part is it legal to broadcast continuous on VHF aviation freqs Unofficially. I brief study of the AWOS subject it looks like there are regulations and specification for the official ones. I understand you want it for your own personal use, but what does an official one cost. I am guessing a lot and more than you want to spend.


I would think it would be nice if you did get a general weather station hardware/software that could synthesize voice, the alternative to continuous broadcast would be like PCL lighting, several clicks would key the transmitter only for 20-30 second. I think that might get around some FAA/FCC issues. A advanced hobbyist could wire up a fancy "clapper" to key the transmit side of the radio with a relay across the mic PTT. A simple timer activated by set number clicks that shuts down after 30 seconds can be made with a few parts ($10-$20). This would help from burning the radio out and allow use of a regular com radio. Not having continuous TX might be a nice thing.

May be continuous broad cast with a low watt radio with antenna placement for only near range broadcast to the field might get around the oversight of the FAA/FCC. Keep use informed. I plan on a private field and would love to also make one.


George

PS, Here is a Voice synthesizer
http://www.rcsys.com/dt.htm

Now all you have to do is program the software to send text thru the serial ports. Some weather stations claim to have RS232 serial output? How all that might work together, who knows, but have fun researching it. Add the radio you might have a system for about a grand to $1500, Used or stripped down computer and crummy monitor, $500; weather station, $330 (Oregon scientific); pc software, $70; V. Synth, $300 and an old used com radio/antenna, $400. If you don't want to make the radio TX with radio clicks, if you are a day only airport, the radio can come on at dawn and go till dusk with a wall timer on the power supply. Another option is a simple timer/relay I could even make, to key the mic every 20 seconds on, 40 seconds off, or something like that to save the radio. Although the click activated type would still be easy, I can't wire up one from the top of my head. If you want one I can look into it. It would be easy to do with a few parts, most available at radio shack.

Just some random thoughts, but from Dan's suggestion and what I see, it looks like you could cobble together some off the shelf stuff with little cash ($1500 or less). It will not be free or with out set-up (assume you have a outbuilding and a/c power).


It would be nice to know the winds, temp, baro and even rain fall in the last few hours. ( I landed at a wet soft-field once not knowing the field was wet. Long story I would not have landed knowing the field had be dumped on that morning. I got in an out with out much problem, but besides mud, takeoff performance was hampered by field conditions and made the takeoff more sporty than I liked, lesson learned.)

Last note, you might want to casually check the FCC legality at setting up a broadcast station with the FCC. I would think the click activate one with limited transmit reply time might be a no brainier from a legal standpoint. Also I am not sure a regular COM can take 24/7 transmitting? G

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Old 01-27-2006, 12:22 AM
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My suggestion is forget about transmitting altogether. Get a small weather station and hook it up to your computer. Get someone computer savy to set it up such that it will respond to any e-mail with the current weather conditions. Most of the decent weather stations have simple serial communications or come with an API. Very straightforward kind of stuff. If you can't get phone or cable modem to the airport, hook it up to a cell phone. One of the PDA types might have enough functionality and connecticity to work without too much fuss.

When you want to know what the weather is, send an e-mail from your cell phone, wait 20 seconds, and voila!. Don't everybody start in on me about the legalities of making cell phone calls from an airplane.

There are 5 baggilion ways to get this to work and there just isn't enough room in this little text box to even scratch the surface.

Another possibility is a remote weather station. They have some that transmit up to 30 miles with no FCC license required, and they run on solar power. Runs about $3000.

Check these dudes out.
http://www.weathershop.com/

...or you can just do what I do and over fly the field once
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Old 01-27-2006, 12:06 PM
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Default Roll your own WX station

If you are somewhat computer savy you could try some of these links I had collected:

using Davis Instuments:
http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~hip/weather/

using the "One-wire" weather instruments:
http://oww.sourceforge.net/

You can use both projects to send data to a web server, etc, but no functionality for voice or transmitting.

For text to speech, might I suggest 'festival' (also free linux software).

No idea on the transmitting part, sorry.

You might even want to buy one of those low-power fanless mini-ITX motherboards for this purpose. try idotpc.com for that.
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Old 01-27-2006, 05:18 PM
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Default Gee is technology fantastic!

I think that one company transmits on UHF, but guess going to VHF would be a no brainier, but the FCC and FAA might need to be involved.

Using the internet and cel phone to get weather is interesting, not standard aviation procedure, but its 2006. ATC data links, satellite nav/com, traffic and terrain collision avoidance and real time weather is all coming or here. Wow. I think I am getting old. A Cub with no electrical system is sounding good to me. G


PS the ultimate weather device: http://www.windycreek.com/weatherrock.html

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Old 01-28-2006, 01:03 AM
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Our airpark has one on order... in the $4000 to $5000 range ready to install.
It transmits on our Multicom (122.9) and will automatically broadcast for a cycle when it gets 4 clicks on the radio.

I don't have all of the details at the moment, but will get them and post them if anyone is interested.

My home Vantage 2 Pro weather station with a link to a PC and a synthesizer as previously mentioned would do something similar.. but you get into radio licensing questions...

http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/vantage2.asp

gil in Tucson
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Old 01-28-2006, 01:34 AM
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*jaw drops* Holy cow! The last time I looked into that sort of canned solution, it was well into the 5 figures $$$. Color me impressed
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Old 01-28-2006, 10:24 AM
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*jaw drops* Holy cow! The last time I looked into that sort of canned solution, it was well into the 5 figures $$$. Color me impressed
I'll report back on the equipment when it arrives, but I think it's someone who has just pre-packaged the weather station/PC/transmitter combination talked about in previous posts....
You are right, combining low cost commercial equipment certainly drops the prices down....

gil in Tucson
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Old 01-28-2006, 11:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by az_gila
Our airpark has one on order... in the $4000 to $5000 range ready to install.
It transmits on our Multicom (122.9) and will automatically broadcast for a cycle when it gets 4 clicks on the radio.

I don't have all of the details at the moment, but will get them and post them if anyone is interested.gil in Tucson
What company are your referring to for the $4000 to $5000 AWOS. Thanks I would like to know, that is great. George
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