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Old 05-26-2006, 05:52 AM
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...Now, with the DC ADIZ, my club's 172 is based in the ADIZ, plus I did my initial flight training with the ADIZ, so I am quite familiar with it. In fact, I am so used to it that it isn't so bad ...
Just a couple of quotes that I thought were appropriate...
Quote:
Freedom has a thousand charms to show,
That slaves, howe'er contented, never know.
-William Cowper
Quote:
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
-Goethe
It's simply wonderful to get up in the morning, quick pre-flight, and go fly. Not talking to a soul. Once you've tasted that kind of freedom...
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Old 05-26-2006, 06:44 AM
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The only requirements are that you have a ADIZ flight plan on file,...
Mike,
Is there anything special about an "ADIZ flight plan"? Or is it just a VFR flight plan through the ADIZ? (and can I bet my license on your advice )

Thanks for the help,
Tom

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Old 05-26-2006, 07:10 AM
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I hate these things too. Thanks you for the heads up, I always assume Camp David is live but would never have thought Gettysburg would have been under a TFR and might have tripped up on this one. By the way you do not need to go around it, just pick your time carefully as the 30 mile TFR is only in affect from 6:50 ? 7:55 Sat morning and 11:45 ? 12:50 Sat noon on the 27th.
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Old 05-26-2006, 07:25 AM
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Tom,

Don't bet your license on this advice, but this is what I was taught, understand and practice weekly. Just to be safe, I would call up a FSS - they will explain the procedures to you.

To file a flight plan, you tell the FSS exactly what you would tell them to file a VFR flight plan. Only difference is you are filing an "D.C. ADIZ Flight Plan", not "VFR Flight Plan". Also there are specific entry/exit points that you must have on your flight plan. I believe that they are in the NOTAM - if not, AOPA has them online. AOPA Also has a ADIZ Checklist that is complete.
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Old 05-26-2006, 07:57 AM
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It's simply wonderful to get up in the morning, quick pre-flight, and go fly. Not talking to a soul. Once you've tasted that kind of freedom...
I couldn't agree with you more. However, living in Baltimore, I have to either drive 50 minutes to the closest airport outside of the ADIZ (KDMW) or 25 minutes to the closest airport to me (KMTN) in the ADIZ, which is class D on top of being in the ADIZ. It isn't as nice as making a simple unicom call when I want to go, but I am with a great club, with great plane availability and a great price ($70/tach hour for a IFR/GPS '172) - So I am stuck in the ADIZ with a great plane for now. When my RV gets done, I will have to think about where its home should be - specifically, how Phase I will be handled in the ADIZ. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
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Old 05-26-2006, 08:35 AM
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Default It's actually an IFR flight plan

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Mike,
Is there anything special about an "ADIZ flight plan"? Or is it just a VFR flight plan through the ADIZ?
When you file an ADIZ flight plan, it goes in as an IFR flight plan with "DC ADIZ VFR" or some such in the comments section.

It's a pain in the butt, yes, but you can still fly here (Manassas, KHEF). The recent change allowing us to file via DUATS made a big difference. I don't know if it will stop terrorists, but at least it makes politicians feel like they're doing something.
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Old 05-26-2006, 11:37 AM
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Default Talk to Leesburg FSS

Please don't bet on anything I or anyone else says. I only speak from my experience of flying the ADIZ since it started. However, trust me on this point, only speak with Leesburg FSS to file your ADIZ flight plan especially if you are new to it. They know exactly how to file your plan and can work with you on the entry/exit points. It is correct that these points are not VORs but if you tell them the VOR they know what fix to enter for you.

Leesburg FSS phone number is 866-225-7410.

As noted in another post, the ADIZ flight plan is basically an IFR flight plan but the difference in filing it more simulates a VFR plan. You do not need to be instrument rated to file it.

I spoke to the Baltimore FSDO last week about Phase 1 in the ADIZ. They said it should be no problem to base inside the ADIZ but should expect that I will need to have my area outside of it and could transit to get to and from there.

Hope this helps.
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Old 05-26-2006, 11:46 AM
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Thanks to all in general, and to Mike Bullock and Mike Regen in particular.

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Old 05-26-2006, 12:02 PM
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I did my all test flights in and out of the ADIZ at HEF. My first flight was in HEF's class D. I did a 30 minute flight in the pattern with a 1234 transponder code. I did the flight early on a Sunday morning when they weren't busy and stayed in contact with the tower the entire time. They allowed me to fly to the top of the class D and fly an extended pattern. It worked out fine. After that I flew straight in and out of the ADIZ and did my airport work (touch and goes...) at Culpepper which is outside the ADIZ. The test area the FAA gave me was outside of the ADIZ with the exception of the corridor to and from HEF.

We have an 8A at the field that recently made it's first flight. The owner was concerned that the class D would not allow him adequate altitude. He talked to Potomac prior to the test flight and they arranged for him to fly in a sector of the class B overlying HEF's class D. Apparently everything went okay. It seems like a lot of effort and a potential distraction on the first flight having to talk to multiple controllers but it seemed to work out okay. I would think you could easily work out a similar arrangement if you're test flight is out of one of the uncontrolled fields. As I had mentioned before, the guys at Potomac Approach for the most part are very helpful. It's only the Homeland Security knucklheads who don't have a clue.

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Old 05-27-2006, 06:14 AM
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When my RV gets done, I will have to think about where its home should be - specifically, how Phase I will be handled in the ADIZ. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
Mike,

I did my Phase I out of MTN. And my inspection was done by a guy from the Baltimore FSDO. He gave me basically the entire Eastern Shore and, since you need to depart the ADIZ by the most direct route, you just maintain runway heading to transition across the bay. That's the downside---an overwater flight with a new airplane.

For my first few flights, I just arranged with the tower to climb to 2,000 and fly a racetrack pattern inside the Class D. Then when I felt confident that nothing was going to fall off and that the engine was not going to seize, I squawked 1205 and headed across the water. The good thing is that with an RV, you can easily reach 2,300 feet before crossing the western shore.

Staying in the MTN pattern or egressing were no problem. It was coming back into the ADIZ where it got interesting. That was 2 years ago and I think things work a little more smoothly now, but back then it was a real pain because you never knew what frequency Potomac was using (even FSS couldn't tell you). And then there were the times when they claimed they weren't picking up my transponder (which would mean I could have been stranded on the Eastern Shore). I suspect they were just busy at the time but didn't want to tell me that, so they said they couldn't see my squawk. Then, miraculously, after several minutes of circling, they could see it again. So when a hangar opened up at DMW, I was outta there.
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