3 Ship Acro

[RV8iator]

Originally Posted by szicree

So let me see if I have this right, Andy's comments are without merit because he doesn't feel like telling thousands of strangers his full name, location, and occupation? This is such B.S. I can hardly believe I'm reading it. Regarding the minimum altitude question, was it a violation or not? Could this be why the video is gone?

a bit on all the posts.

Thanks for all the insight no matter how you weigh in on the matter.
I pulled the video because I don't want anybody thinking we are out violating a bunch of regs and endangering anyone. We weren't.

Like I said earlier, we were well briefed and flew the brief. When I'm practicing I always zero my altimeter so there's no guesswork where the floor is, so no that is not the reason the video was pulled.

I think Kahuna summed up all the clearing stuff.

I stated my opinion about landing a few feet before the line at my home field so that doesn't need anymore beating.

As for being an amatuer pilot, well, I guess that's in the eyes of the beholder also. I strive to do every flight better than the last and always learn something. So far that philosophy has kept me safely in the air for 42 years and many many thousands of accident and incident free hours. I too was an examiner in the USAF, and the airlines so I can see where Andy's coming from. I just say that ones judgement and life experiences weigh heavily on how they operate daily.

I'll always accept constructive criticism and Andy's was not out of line. All valid questions and we can all learn from them.

Keep the blue side up, mostly.

[N8RV]

Welcome, Andy! Nice to meet you.

I appreciate your consideration of my comments. Some, like Steve, don't have a problem with anonymous posters being critical, and that's OK. We're not all wired the same. I just have a personal rule about arguing with people who hide behind anonymity. That doesn't make me right or those who may disagree wrong -- it's personal preference. If somebody's gonna stick his finger in MY face and tell me I'm wrong, I just want to know who's doing the pointing. Otherwise, I won't waste my time, that's all.

And, just so you'll know that I'm not just trying to be an idiot (although it IS one of the things that I do best, according to some), I logged onto a professional forum once and stumbled upon a thread where someone was really being a jerk -- calling someone out for what seemed like a simple mistake. I got righteously pissed and chimed in, telling them all what I thought of their childish behavior.

Then it was pointed out to me (very graciously, I might add) that there were THREE pages to the thread and I was getting all bent out of shape over something that was posted on the first page, and that all parties had already aired things out and made friends. Then I come along and ... sheesh ...

I learned my lesson then about forums. The written word is hard enough sometimes to get across what is intended. And while Steve may not agree that who you are makes a difference when offering criticism on a public forum, I'd bet most would agree that someone like Paul Dye or Doug Rozendaal (sorry to pick on you, guys) could have offered the very same criticism and it would have been accepted more readily than from a complete stranger. That's all I was saying.

Again, welcome, Andy. I'm hoping to learn a lot more from you in the future!

[strahler13]

I enjoy posts such as that by Widget. Keep them coming. I am an adult and am totally responsible for my actions. I fly my plane within my limits. Just because I see Widget or Sean Tucker preforming difficult activities doesn't mean I'm going out and try same.

I also think Andy can say whatever he wants--it is his opinion. He may be asked to defend it.

What does bother me are posters like Louise and Danny that "pile on" without waiting for any sort of rebuttal or defense of accusations regarding the original post.

Mark

[RV8iator]

Originally Posted by strahler13

Just because I see Widget or Sean Tucker preforming difficult activities doesn't mean I'm going out and try same.

Mark

I'm going to save this post. Me and Sean..

Righteous!

[tcone1]

Originally Posted by RV8iator

I'm going to save this post. Me and Sean..

Righteous!

Funniest thing all day...

[jws_39]

I must say other that Wiget pulling the video this is a very healthy thread. With all the talk about have a high fatality rate in 2009 we need good discussions like this one to open our eyes and stay alert and be able to fly another day. I didn't get to see the video. I did get to see concerned VAF members for each others safety and enjoyment. That is what is most important so that we all can continue doing what we love.

I hope to see the video. Keep up the debates. We can all strive to be beter everytime we take to the skies.

[gnuse]

I just watched the video, saw only one ship, and nothing illegal. It is very entertaining however.

Hi, Andy. Welcome.

[Andy]

I thought I'd wrap up my inputs to this thread.

szicree: thanks for your comments; you're right on target.

N8RV: thanks, you're a gentleman.

Widget: I'm sorry you pulled the video--I think it has more demand than Avatar. The ground perspective as you finished your over-the-tops is what I initially cued into when I criticized your altitude. If you say you zeroed your altimeter and were really at 1500' AGL, that's good enough for me. So shall it be written, so shall it be done. Case closed.

Kahuna: I value your input. We have a significant disagreement about clearing during a formation flight but I won't hijack this thread and hash that out here.

gnuse: you watched a different video if it only had one plane. This thread is about "3-ship acro." Thanks for your welcome. I'm touched.

I'm clearly not a very good writer because no one has understood what I meant by my "amateur pilot" remark. To wit: the wrong things on a video will make even the best pilot look bad. Let's drop it.

Peace on earth, all the best to you and yours, etc., etc.

AB