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Old 03-06-2006, 08:00 AM
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Jim,
Many of us know EXACTLY what you're going through. I can tell you from experience that if you go to your family doctor, have him/her take three reading over the coure of a week or two and then issue a letter indicating your medication and controlled readings, you'll not have a problem. I didn't know about the form but, will use that next time. I also believe the AME's know, at least somewhat, how inportant flying is to you and they'll work with you. That being said however, I would not go to the AME for a "pre-physical" your family doctor is a better choice.
Take care and I'll hope to see you at a fly-in this year,
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Old 03-06-2006, 08:06 AM
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Remember, the RV-12 will still have to be a 51% kit. To qualify as an E-LSA kit of less than 51%, the manufacturer would first have to certify the exact same configuration as an S-LSA, which, last time I heard, Van has no intention of doing. Therefore the -12 will be an amateur-built aircraft that can be flown by a sport pilot.
At present there are no E-LSA kits available.
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Mel,
Could you tell me what would be involved in getting an RV-12 certified as E-LSA which would use a BMW R-1200 motorcycle engine as a powerplant instead of the Rotax 912ULS. Both engines are 100 HP and weigh very close to eachother. If you're not sure, who could I write to find out?
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Old 03-06-2006, 06:31 PM
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I was thinking along the lines of a Corvair engine, like what is commonly used in the Zodiac's.

The latest issue of Kitplanes has the price of a new Rotax at - are you ready for this - $24,000

A new Rotax simply is not a viable option for guys like me...

- Patrick
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Old 03-06-2006, 07:29 PM
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Hi Patrick,

That $24k price sounds like a 914, which is the turbocharged engine. The 912ULS is about $9k less. The 4 stroke Rotax is a really nice, light, and well proven engine. FWIW, I weighed all the engine related items that were on a Kolb Slingshot, except the prop, and fluids. The total weight was 159 lbs for 100 (marketing) HP. Pretty remarkable, but not cheap.

We can always hope there are other alternatives for engines, but as with the rest of the RV world, nothing has really beaten the factory solution yet. There is hope on the rotary front though, as a few folks are working on single rotor engines in the 912 weight, and power range. Time will tell.
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Old 03-06-2006, 08:17 PM
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The RV-12 could only be certified as a 51% amateur-built, period. It can still be flown by a sport pilot because it conforms to the light-sport rules. There are 2 kinds of E-LSA. Those kit manufactured as an E-LSA kit (must first certify same configuration as a S-LSA) Those airplanes cannot be modified. They must conform to the original configuration. i.e. same engine, same everything. The other E-LSA is a conversion of an ultralight type that was built before September 1, 2004. The -12 does not qualify under either of these catagories.
I worked quite extensively with the FAA on the training program for DARs for Light-Sport Aircraft. There are few DARs qualified on LSA at this time. If you want to learn more about E-SLA go to the FAA website and down load 8130.2F. Go to Section 8, paragraph 141. This will define E-SLA.
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Old 03-07-2006, 04:08 PM
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The RV-12 could only be certified as a 51% amateur-built, period. It can still be flown by a sport pilot because it conforms to the light-sport rules. There are 2 kinds of E-LSA. Those kit manufactured as an E-LSA kit (must first certify same configuration as a S-LSA) Those airplanes cannot be modified. They must conform to the original configuration. i.e. same engine, same everything. The other E-LSA is a conversion of an ultralight type that was built before September 1, 2004. The -12 does not qualify under either of these catagories.
I worked quite extensively with the FAA on the training program for DARs for Light-Sport Aircraft. There are few DARs qualified on LSA at this time. If you want to learn more about E-SLA go to the FAA website and down load 8130.2F. Go to Section 8, paragraph 141. This will define E-SLA.
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can owner/pilots maintain all of the above or if not... what can be

owner-maintained

owner-maintained - owner-modified

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Old 03-07-2006, 04:22 PM
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I'll be ready to "pull the trigger" on a purchase, and right now the 601xl is the leading candidate. But I'd give the RV-12 serious consideration.
Too early to speculate as to why, but did you see that a 601xl crashed last month? It was in the pattern at an airport in CA. Witnesses said its wings folded up and then back before it crashed. They did not indicate it was doing anything other than normal flying in the pattern - i.e., no aerobatics.

I considered the 601, but for the money, it seems kind of cheap looking.
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Old 03-07-2006, 04:42 PM
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Any airplane certificated as amateur-built, normal category or anything else does not change in any way when flown by a sport-pilot. i.e., an amateur-built aircraft may be maintained by anyone. The annual condition inspection can be signed off by the builder (provided he has obtained the repairman certificate for that airplane).
I will be happy to discuss any of these issues if you would like to give me a call.
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Old 03-07-2006, 07:41 PM
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Too early to speculate as to why, but did you see that a 601xl crashed last month?
Yes, that was in Oakdale, CA. You can read about it here.

I don't know what to make of the witness on the ground who said the wings folded. Other witnesses say they heard the engine "sputter". NTSB report isn't final yet so nobody really knows.

There are a lot of Zodiacs and similar metal-winged planes out there. Has anyone else heard anything about "wings folding" like this....?

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Old 03-08-2006, 04:52 AM
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Any news on the RV-12? It has been two months since we heard anything.
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