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10-06-2019, 10:20 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
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Originally Posted by Cumulo
Well, a bellmouth, a funnel, whatever, may give you more rain, more bugs, more dirt, but not a bit more pressure. Not fair is it? Not intuitive either.
BTW, I am a Free Diffusion advocate. It is ~100% efficient. This translates into large, well faired intakes.
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I meant a bell mouth for testing on the flow bench. Certainly not on the airplane.
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10-06-2019, 10:29 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Taylor Texas
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KISS?
I might be seeing things wrong, but the inlets I have (THANKS DAN!) sure look like the LE of a Cub or Champ airfoil, like nose 1. Nose B and C resemble the LE of the RV wing...fairly simple to fab up a mold for any of those.
Of course our inlets will NOT have the afterbody like the round engine cowls do...a lot more expanding on our setups except on the upper sfc.
Dan: why is your air inlet for the engine so different from the cooling inlets? Seem you'd want the same recovery value for both? I must be missing something...
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10-06-2019, 10:29 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry DeCamp
1/8” radius ? 1/4” ? More? I am ready to act with sandpaper in hand !
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Hi Larry,
Mine is about 5/16 radius, and I think it is definitely overkill.
In Dan's picture, it looks like a bit under 1/8" but hard to say with the lighting.
I guess I would recommend at least 3/16" radius, with continued thickening so that if you go back 1/2" from the lip, it is at least 1/2" "thick" (distance through duct from inner wall to outer wall. As if it was a 1/4" radius, but not circular, more elliptical.
Hope that helps.
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Aeronautical Engineer
RV-8 N825RV
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WW 200RV
"The Magic Carpet"
Hobbs 625
LS6-15/18W sailplane SOLD
bought my old LS6-A back!! 
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Last edited by scsmith : 10-06-2019 at 10:36 AM.
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10-06-2019, 11:39 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: new iberia la
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Lip shape radius
This is so timely, I?m working on the inlet lip now. So far I?ve used a short piece of 1/2? pvc (cut in half lengthways) with sandpaper cupped on the inside to create that half round shape. By more ?elliptical shape? do you mean instead of a perfect 1/2 circle it would be just a little pointed at the apex? A simple sketch of the cross section would be great.
Don Broussard
RV9 Rebuild in Progress
57 Pacer
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10-06-2019, 01:39 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 08A
Posts: 9,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by F1Boss
Dan: why is your air inlet for the engine so different from the cooling inlets? Seem you'd want the same recovery value for both? I must be missing something...
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In terms of pressure recovery, it works just fine. It is a low Vi/Vo type, like the cooling inlets....a 4" ring
I built that inlet many moons ago, with an eye on style. It may be separating externally, aft of the lip when spillage is at max, causing some external drag. Some tufts and a GoPro could be in my future 
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Last edited by DanH : 10-10-2019 at 08:11 AM.
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10-10-2019, 08:10 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry DeCamp
1/8” radius ? 1/4” ? More? I am ready to act with sandpaper in hand !
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I forgot about the profiles in CR3405, identified as Kuchemann A-series. They are much as Steve describes in post 23. Start at page 38.
The reference is Aerodynamics of Propulsion, Kuchemann and Weber. Out of print and not cheap as a used book. Anyone have a copy? Worth having?
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Last edited by DanH : 10-10-2019 at 08:13 AM.
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06-25-2020, 12:23 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Fresno, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanH
Airbox #1 was lovely, but in retrospect was dumb as a bag of hammers.
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Help me understand why your first airbox was dumb? Just not enough filter area? Not enough divergence in the box?
Use small words, I'm just a dumb pilot.
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06-25-2020, 01:47 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tcone1
Help me understand why your first airbox was dumb? Just not enough filter area? Not enough divergence in the box?
Use small words, I'm just a dumb pilot.
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Not enough filter area.
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06-25-2020, 03:18 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Hammond, LA
Posts: 87
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Ha!
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Originally Posted by DanH
Not enough filter area.
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Now that's just funny!
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