Aircraft Registration Question

bullojm1 · #1 08-24-2009, 07:12 PM

I am in the process of registering my RV with the FAA. I have the hardcopy of the Aircraft Registration Information form (form 8050-1) and have the following questions:

1) Under "Aircraft Manufacturer and Model" would I put my "Bullock, Joseph M. Bullock RV-7" since "Bullock, Joseph M" is the manufacturer (me) and "Bullock RV-7" is the model?

2) Under the signature section, would TITLE just be "Owner"?

Thanks for any advice/input!

Greg Arehart · #2 08-24-2009, 10:17 PM

Mike,

I believe (and others may jump in here to correct if necessary) that you can put most anything in those spaces you want. I called myself the manufacturer and just used RV-9A as the model, but you could also use "spaceship spiff 17" if you really wanted to (probably something with RV and 7 is more useful). I used *owner" in the "title" space just to keep the beancounters happy that there was *something* in the blank space. In any event, that all went through the FAA without a hitch.

greg

Sam Buchanan · #3 08-25-2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bullojm1

I am in the process of registering my RV with the FAA. I have the hardcopy of the Aircraft Registration Information form (form 8050-1) and have the following questions:

1) Under "Aircraft Manufacturer and Model" would I put my "Bullock, Joseph M. Bullock RV-7" since "Bullock, Joseph M" is the manufacturer (me) and "Bullock RV-7" is the model?

2) Under the signature section, would TITLE just be "Owner"?

Thanks for any advice/input!

Mike, be sure whatever you put in those fields match EXACTLY the same fields on your data plate.

Enjoy your new plane!

Mel · #4 08-25-2009, 07:17 AM

YOU, the builder will be the manufacturer of any RV except for the RV-12 being registered as an E-LSA.

N8RV · #5 08-25-2009, 08:17 AM

Yeah, I screwed that up -- even after the DAR had instructed me that the name on the data plate had to match EXACTLY what was on the registration. Figuring that he meant that I couldn't use "Don" instead of "Donald", I had the data plate read "Donald E. McNamara" instead of the way it read on the registration -- "McNamara, Donald E."

Oops.

Inspection day comes around and the first thing the DAR noticed was the difference. He said that he couldn't sign it off unless they matched exactly. However, I got a new data plate made immediately and he was satisfied.

Whatever you put down, make sure that it matches. EXACTLY!

Mel · #6 08-25-2009, 08:21 AM

Van's Aircraft can only be listed as "manufacturer" if registering the aircraft as an E-LSA.

RV6_flyer · #7 08-25-2009, 03:25 PM

The MANUFACTURER is the name of the BUILDER not the name of the designer for all Amateur Built Experimental Aircraft. Yes I have seen some where the model is Vans RV-X.

The DATA PLATE should have the MANUFACTURER listed as the BUILDER name exactly as it appears on the REGISTRATION. (8050-3). Yes it should be ok to list it first name last name but if the DAR or ASI has not been to a recurrent training recently, they may say EXACTLY as it is on the 8050-3.

MNAv8or · #8 08-25-2009, 04:21 PM

Keep in mind, you can have the manufacturer listed as an LLC or a corportation. I will admit that the only experimental aircraft I have seen this is on the EPIC aircraft. Everyone that I have worked on, the data plate listed, Manufacturer - so and so LLC. It was ok'd by the FAA without a hitch.

I asked him about this and he said that by the company being the manufacturer of the aircraft, when he sells the plane, he will just sell the company and the aircraft will be an assest of said company. He claims that buy having everything under an LLC, he is not responsable for the aircraft after it is sold due to it being a company asset and his name not being on any of the paperwork.

Not trying to steal the thread or start an arguement. I'm just giving you an example of what I have seen on aircraft.

RV6_flyer · #9 08-25-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MNAv8or

Keep in mind, you can have the manufacturer listed as an LLC or a corportation. I will admit that the only experimental aircraft I have seen this is on the EPIC aircraft. Everyone that I have worked on, the data plate listed, Manufacturer - so and so LLC. It was ok'd by the FAA without a hitch.

I asked him about this and he said that by the company being the manufacturer of the aircraft, when he sells the plane, he will just sell the company and the aircraft will be an assest of said company. He claims that buy having everything under an LLC, he is not responsable for the aircraft after it is sold due to it being a company asset and his name not being on any of the paperwork.

Not trying to steal the thread or start an arguement. I'm just giving you an example of what I have seen on aircraft.

Keep in mind that the DAR can turn down an experimental as amateur built if it lists a non-person entity as the builder. I have done so. Yes I refused to do the inspection on an airplane that did not list a person as the builder.

I am not a lawyer but believe that the LLC will NOT get the actual person(s) that built the airplane off the record. The 8130-12 MUST list the person(s) that build the airplane and it is recorded in the Airworthiness File in Oklahoma City with the Registration.

At the present time, we have a 51% rule for amateur built experimental aircraft so that an individual or individuals can build and fly an airplane. IF an LLC or corporation builds the airplane, I do not believe that is with the spirit or intent of the present regulation that allows us to build our airplanes. I am not a lawyer but as a DAR I do not do airworthiness inspection on these kinds of airplanes.

MNAv8or · #10 08-25-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RV6_flyer

Keep in mind that the DAR can turn down an experimental as amateur built if it lists a non-person entity as the builder. I have done so. Yes I refused to do the inspection on an airplane that did not list a person as the builder.

I am not a lawyer but believe that the LLC will NOT get the actual person(s) that built the airplane off the record. The 8130-12 MUST list the person(s) that build the airplane and it is recorded in the Airworthiness File in Oklahoma City with the Registration.

At the present time, we have a 51% rule for amateur built experimental aircraft so that an individual or individuals can build and fly an airplane. IF an LLC or corporation builds the airplane, I do not believe that is with the spirit or intent of the present regulation that allows us to build our airplanes. I am not a lawyer but as a DAR I do not do airworthiness inspection on these kinds of airplanes.

He had this same issue with his airplane when he tried to get it inspected. He just kept going through DAR's until he found one that would sign it off. I have done the same thing when it comes to getting field approvals and different FSDO's. Some would not sign it off and others would. This is a common occurance in the industry.

On the 8130-12 form where you say you must list the person(s) that build the aircraft. If you bought a kit (lets say Fuse kit) from someone else who had started to build it, would you have to list their name on the form as one of the builders of the kit or is the form just for the finished product?

I don't think the LLC option really violates the rules. If you have 4 guys that want to build an RV or any other experimental together, couldn't they form a corporation? I mean as long as they are building the aircraft for education? Has anyone built an aircraft with someone else that you know of being a DAR and how did they handle it?

I wasn't trying to start an arguement with my origional post. I was just giving an option that I have seen happen more then once. I didn't say it was the right thing to do, just something I have seen.