Let's stir the pot

[pierre smith]

...with another turn key RV building outfit in Russia. I saw the ad on Barnstormers.

http://www.eng.cetus.aero/

Mel, how 'bout chime in with your thoughts please,

Regards,

[jcaplins]

"The aircraft can be shipped to your country under the name "RV", or under our brand name "Cetus."

If there are any difficulties with registration in your country, the aircraft can be shipped to you with Russian registration, if that helps.

Once you register you aircraft as experimental, please check your local legislation for the amount of professional help allowed for amateur build aircrafts in your area. Cetus Aero Ltd. will not be liable for any problems with registration of your aircraft caused by the excess of amount of professional help allowed in your country."

[Ron Lee]

At a price of over $130,000 USD, I doubt that many people in the USA will do it.

[Mel]

Originally Posted by pierre smith

...with another turn key RV building outfit in Russia. I saw the ad on Barnstormers.
http://www.eng.cetus.aero/
Mel, how 'bout chime in with your thoughts please,
Regards,

Not quite sure how you would register it in the US. It certainly would not meet the "experimental amateur-built" rule.
It could possibly be done under "experimental exhibition", but it would not meet the "intent" of the rule.

[Ironflight]

I met up with these folks back in 2005 in Moscow, and was impressed with their passion for aviation, and making their dreams happen despite what can best be described as a "roll your own" form of regulation and government of general Aviation. imagine you were investing hundreds of thousands of dollars in an enterprise that could be shut down that afternoon at the whim of a government employee that was in a political snit with some other government employee....and you're caught in the middle!

I agree with Mel - you'd have a tough time licensing this in the US, but the CETUS guys already know this, and that's not their market. They are finding work for Russian aircraft artisans who no longer had steady jobs - a nice thing in their "wild west" economy.

(They are also AMAZING with paint!)

Paul

[flyboy1963]

...but you gotta love guys that have a program with an acronym like this... I think many of us have used the term once during building/maintaining our RV's!

You have started you RV kit project and understand that you will likely finish it in the next century?

- Then your last chance is our FCK (Finishing Customer?s Kit) concept.

[tinman]

<snip>
imagine you were investing hundreds of thousands of dollars in an enterprise that could be shut down that afternoon at the whim of a government employee that was in a political snit with some other government employee....
<end snip>

Sounds a bit like where we are heading here in the good 'ole USA...

[Bubblehead]

Amen brother Tinman!

[jrs14855]

I think these could be certified Experimental Exhibition, just as the foreign warbirds, many of the aerobatic aircraft and gliders and motorgliders. Different and more restrictive ops limits than EAB.

[MNAv8or]

There is already a company in America doing this same thing. They make the Epic LT aircraft, a homebuilt pressurized turbine powered kit airplane. They will build you the airplane for the right amount of money. I have worked on an Epic that a customer says he "built" the airplane. Even had a huge binder of pictures showing him "building" portions of the airplane. The interesting thing was, when he would bring it into the shop for us to work on it, he couldn't tell us where anything was routed (be it electrical, hydraulic, or air lines), didn't know how any of the systems work (I **** near collapsed the gear on it by accident listening to him tell me how to test something on the gear), and when he was asked about the build, he refused to talk about it.

So even in the US, there are companies out there that are bending the rules. I do believe this was one of the companies that brought the feds attention to revamping the 51% rule in the beginning.