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03-16-2009, 08:27 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Denver, CO
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Two blade or Three?
Hey guys, new to the forums, soon to be -7 builder...visiting Vans on April 10 and plopping down a check for the empennage.
I plan to put a IO-390 out front with a C/S prop and fly out of Denver. What are the performance advantages and disadvantages between a two-bladed prop and a three? We can ignore the added cost/maintenance side of it for this discussion as I am mostly concerned about performance pros/cons. Does a three have better climb performance and reduced performance in cruise? I know I have some time to decided on this, just wanted to educate myself with your help. 
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Denver, CO (KBJC)
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03-16-2009, 08:51 AM
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Generally speaking, a three-blade prop is less efficient than a two-blade. If performance is your ONLY concern, then go with a two-blade. However the various three-blade models offer other advantages in terms of vibration, looks, and ground clearance to name just a few. In some instances, the three-blades are nearly the same as two-bladed in terms of speed, but not as fast.
BTW, I have a three-blade prop on my Rocket and I did it for weight, looks, and ground clearance.
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03-16-2009, 09:10 AM
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I think it is generally accepted that a 3 blade prop has better climb but slightly less top end than a 2 bladed prop. There of course could be exceptions to the rule.
Saying that, even flying from Leadville, CO on a hot day with any CS RV loaded to max gross should be a none event.
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03-16-2009, 09:56 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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Three blades are also quieter than two blades.
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03-16-2009, 10:03 AM
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Thanks guys, that helps...I didnt consider some of the other things you mentioned...less vibration, quieter, more ground clearance. I do like the looks of them too.
Randy, what kind of three blade do you have on your Rocket?
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Denver, CO (KBJC)
RV-7 'Tip Up'
Flying!! as of 3/16/14
IO-375/ WW 200G-CS/ SkyView/ Dual P-mags
N531R "Wablosa" Wings of Red
http://www.ronsrv7project.blogspot.com
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03-16-2009, 10:42 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Vibration is definitely different (less is relative), Quieter is most a function of tip speed, i've flown with some real quiet 2-blades at 2200RPM (Cessna 182 for instance). Our 3-blade on the Cardinal is actually noiser at RPM than the older -7666 2-blade, but as soon as the rpms are down to 2300 it shines, 2500+ is a real racket though.
I'd say with the -390 the best combo is going to be with a Blended airfoil Hartzell, but if you want to take the cruise hit, a 3-blade MT will work too. It WILL reduce you top speed significantly, and hasn't been proven to climb better.
Anyone know if the WW-200 is approved for the -390 yet? I think it was HP limited to 200?
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03-16-2009, 10:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RV7Ron
Thanks guys, that helps...I didnt consider some of the other things you mentioned...less vibration, quieter, more ground clearance. I do like the looks of them too.
Randy, what kind of three blade do you have on your Rocket?
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I have the MT.
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Greenwood, IN
www.pflanzer-aviation.com
Paid through 2043!
Lund fishing Boat, 2017, GONE FISHING
RV-12 - Completed 2014, Sold
427 Shelby Cobra - Completed 2012, Sold
F1 EVO - partially completed, Sold
F1 Rocket - Completed 2005, Sold
RV-7A - Partially completed, Sold
RV-6 - Completed 2000, Sold
Long-EZ - Completed 1987, Sold
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03-16-2009, 10:57 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
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There may be one other esoteric consideration. Some aircraft cowlings are engineered so that the prop pulse coincides with induction, theoretically providing slightly higher MP in flight. For a 4-banger, this requires a 2 bladed prop to work.
But then, I haven't really ever heard of someone switching to a 3 bladed prop and noticing a measurable loss of MP - so it may be B.S.
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03-16-2009, 11:00 AM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Fowler, Kansas
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My RV8 has a three blade Hartzell and I like it for ground clearance and noise. I can't tell that the top speed performance is compromised and like all 200 horse RV's it climbs like crazy. I fly with a number of RV8's and 4's with 180-200 hp and I am just as fast or faster. I am fairly light at 1105 lbs.
I don't think you would be giving up anything significant performance wise with the three blade. I am a bit nose heavy but I like that for when I haul big people in the back.
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03-16-2009, 06:07 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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2 to go, 3 to show.
There is no doubt a 3 blader looks cool on an RV.
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